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This is a pretty old argument but....
alright, this is a tiny sample from the Hubble Ultra deep field image taken between 2003 and 2004. The galaxies in this photograph are 13.7 Billion light years away. If the universe is only 6000 years old, then how is it that it is possible for us to see these bodies if it has to take a minimum of 13.7 Billion years for the light to reach us?
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The Ompahlos Argument: the light is created en route to us; the universe looks old, but actually is only ~6000 years old. The physics involved is wrong.
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are those galaxies REALLY 13.7 billion light years away? because thats a rather clean image. :-P
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Originally Posted by Wiccan_Child The Ompahlos Argument: the light is created en route to us; the universe looks old, but actually is only ~6000 years old. The physics involved is wrong.
1. deceptive God. think about that
2. if the physics involved was wrong, then why hasn't the sun scorched the earth?
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Originally Posted by Nathan45 are those galaxies REALLY 13.7 billion light years away? because thats a rather clean image. :-P
we can measure the distances to galaxies with their cosmological redshift
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Originally Posted by gamespotter10 1. deceptive God. think about that
I fail to see the issue.
Originally Posted by gamespotter10 2. if the physics involved was wrong, then why hasn't the sun scorched the earth?
Because the physics used to find the distance to the Sun are different to those used to find the distance to stars.
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Originally Posted by gamespotter10 we can measure the distances to galaxies with their cosmological redshift
I was under the impression that redshift simply tells you that the galaxy is moving, in particular away from you, not it's distance from you.
Then again, I'm not much of an expert on such things.
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Originally Posted by Wiccan_Child I fail to see the issue.
1. how can you not see the issue? you're worshipping a God who WILLFULLY decieves you
2. the only way for us to see those galaxies would be if the speed of light was much faster. if that was true then the sun would have scorched the earth because E=MC^2
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Originally Posted by Logic_Fault I was under the impression that redshift simply tells you that the galaxy is moving, in particular away from you, not it's distance from you.
there is this thing called the hubble constant. we dont know for sure what it is, but we have a ballpark estimate of what it is. So, hubble's law says galaxies which are farther away from us are moving away from us faster. We know this because of the redshift. If a galaxy is extremely redshifted, then it is moving away from us VERY rapidly, and it is VERY far away because of the hubble constant
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Originally Posted by Logic_Fault I was under the impression that redshift simply tells you that the galaxy is moving, in particular away from you, not it's distance from you.
Hubbles law:
the velocity of a galaxy can be found by v = H x d
v=velocity of the galaxy
h= hubbles constant
d=distance to observer
Redshift is best used on galaxies that are more then 1 billion years away.
v can be found through the dopler shift.
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