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Old 11th October 2003, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by cbk
Yes, this was funny, but here was a man trying to be President of the United States making DIRECT, slanderous jokes about two SPECIFIC citizens: Limbaugh and the maid.

Sad and funny at the same time. Not very presidential.
It was Senator John Kerry who made that unpresidential remark.
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Old 11th October 2003, 10:19 AM
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All dope is some kind of pain killer.The problem is when you get it illigally.He had the money to buy it .The street person has to knock you in the head and steal your money.Both are wrong.People should stop and think how they tarepeople down{Bill and Hillery} What goes up will come down.Because he addmitted don't make him right.IfOJ had said he killed his wife would the world forgive him?He still would have to pay for his crime.Don't let the world white wash his crimes there are too many black men in jail for less!!
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The drug he ws hooked on, Oxycontin, is also called Hillybilly Heroin and has been described as one of the most addictive drugs currently being used today.

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Originally Posted by KenH
Has Rush ever applied that to those addicted to presciption drugs or was he talking about those who use illegal drugs such as cocaine, heroin, etc.?
If he was obtaining them in the manner and quantities as alleged, then they are illegal drugs. Seeing that he was addicted, either there's a doctor in serious trouble, or the allegations have some truth to them, as he himself has admitted.
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Originally Posted by aragorn
Why do you have such a problem with mind-expanding recreational drug use. Surely if you're going to take drugs, you may as well get something good out of it.
What the … WHAT good?!? I suppose if you had family and friends die of mind expanding drugs then maybe you would understand differently. If you had family and friends that now somewhat resemble vegetables your opinion may not be as it is. Yet I suppose that anyone who so forwardly supports drug use most likely uses them and their hearts are probably hardened concerning this and they do not know it. They have brought spiritual darkness to their hearts.

God hates these drugs and as children of God we should openly shun drug use of this kind. There won’t be any of these recreational drug users going to heaven. The use of these drugs will only bring the judgments of God down upon them. The only thing “good” as you put it is in fact not good but death and destruction if they do not repent now.

Strong's Number: 5331 farmakeiđa pharmakeia far-mak-i'-ah from 5332

1. the use or the administering of drugs
2. poisoning
3. sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it
4. metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry

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KJV (3) - sorcery, 2; witchcraft, 1;
NAS (3) - sorceries, 1; sorcery, 2;

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Galatians 1
Revelation 2
Ga 5:20
Re 9:21
Re 18:23

(NAS)Revelation 18:23 and the light of a lamp shall shine in thee no more; and the voice of bridegroom and bride shall be heard in thee no more; for thy merchants were the great men of the earth, and all nations were deceived by thy sorcery. 24And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all who have been slain on earth."

(NAS)Revelation 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death."

(NAS)Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are plain: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, 20idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, party spirit, 21envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

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Originally Posted by Durelen
What the … WHAT good?!? I suppose if you had family and friends die of mind expanding drugs then maybe you would understand differently. If you had family and friends that now somewhat resemble vegetables your opinion may not be as it is. Yet I suppose that anyone who so forwardly supports drug use most likely uses them and their hearts are probably hardened concerning this and they do not know it. They have brought spiritual darkness to their hearts.

God hates these drugs and as children of God we should openly shun drug use of this kind. There won’t be any of these recreational drug users going to heaven. The use of these drugs will only bring the judgments of God down upon them. The only thing “good” as you put it is in fact not good but death and destruction if they do not repent now.

Strong's Number: 5331 farmakeiđa pharmakeia far-mak-i'-ah from 5332

1. the use or the administering of drugs
2. poisoning
3. sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it
4. metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry

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KJV (3) - sorcery, 2; witchcraft, 1;
NAS (3) - sorceries, 1; sorcery, 2;

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KJV NAS
Galatians 1
Revelation 2
Ga 5:20
Re 9:21
Re 18:23

(NAS)Revelation 18:23 and the light of a lamp shall shine in thee no more; and the voice of bridegroom and bride shall be heard in thee no more; for thy merchants were the great men of the earth, and all nations were deceived by thy sorcery. 24And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all who have been slain on earth."

(NAS)Revelation 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death."

(NAS)Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are plain: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, 20idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, party spirit, 21envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
You do not seem to understand. a drug is a drug, an addict is an addict. I would hope that Rush is included in your statement? Please show me scripture that "god hates" drugs...and why this doesn't included alcohol.

someone mentioned earlier that a justification for Rush's drug use was because he was in physical pain. Well some suffer from emotional pain. we are very complicated creatures, where excactly do we draw the line? What type of pain makes it "legal" to justify the addiction??
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Originally Posted by foolsparade
You do not seem to understand. a drug is a drug, an addict is an addict. I would hope that Rush is included in your statement? Please show me scripture that "god hates" drugs...and why this doesn't included alcohol.

someone mentioned earlier that a justification for Rush's drug use was because he was in physical pain. Well some suffer from emotional pain. we are very complicated creatures, where excactly do we draw the line? What type of pain makes it "legal" to justify the addiction??
So bound up in the law and the interpretation of it. By your reasoning then any drug is wrong. I think people are too fixated on the addiction side of it here and not really looking at the big picture since there is an underlining hatred for this man. I’m not saying that laws were not broken for they were. Good laws are in place to protect people not condemn them. Whether it be to protect them from themselves or to protect them from others there should be some meaning and definition to them.

This law that was broken is purely the protect from self type of law. Any judge that would condemn him would be out of line since this man has been seeking repentance by means of rehab and so forth. It’s not a case where a punk on a street corner is passing out crack to our youth in hopes of getting them into the drug scene.

I though it was rather well referenced in my post concerning drug use and what the bible has to say about it. If you think my reference is a load of whatever then do a search on the net concerning my references. You will get tons of the same conclusions.

As for alcohol it is entirely a different effect. Alcohol a mind expanding drug that opens you up to the spiritual world and anything contained there in? There is a very big difference there, man.
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Old 11th October 2003, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by KenH
Rush took full personal responsbility. He did not "blame" the drugs. If he had not take the prescription medicine then he would not have become addicted to it.
Well, here's what he said:
I am still experiencing that pain. Rather than opt for additional surgery for these conditions, I chose to treat the pain with prescribed medication. This medication turned out to be highly addictive.
Now, I have no quibble with his facts. OxyContin is indeed a highly addictive substance. However, assuming Rush knew about OxyContin's properties beforehand, his decision to take it seems out of political character, if you will.
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Originally Posted by Durelen
So bound up in the law and the interpretation of it. By your reasoning then any drug is wrong. I think people are too fixated on the addiction side of it here and not really looking at the big picture since there is an underlining hatred for this man. I’m not saying that laws were not broken for they were. Good laws are in place to protect people not condemn them. Whether it be to protect them from themselves or to protect them from others there should be some meaning and definition to them.

This law that was broken is purely the protect from self type of law. Any judge that would condemn him would be out of line since this man has been seeking repentance by means of rehab and so forth. It’s not a case where a punk on a street corner is passing out crack to our youth in hopes of getting them into the drug scene.

I though it was rather well referenced in my post concerning drug use and what the bible has to say about it. If you think my reference is a load of whatever then do a search on the net concerning my references. You will get tons of the same conclusions.

As for alcohol it is entirely a different effect. Alcohol a mind expanding drug that opens you up to the spiritual world and anything contained there in? There is a very big difference there, man.
No, my reasoning is that addiction is an addiction. A vice is a vice. and vice versa. I don't "hate" Rush, I just think he is an idiot. I know you Christians love this type of statement; "drugs don't kill people, pleople kill people".

you write: "As for alcohol it is entirely a different effect. Alcohol a mind expanding drug that opens you up to the spiritual world and anything contained there in? There is a very big difference there, man"

huh?? I thought alcohol was a depressant not an hallucinogen. If what you say is true than LSD, Mushrooms, Peyote, Marijuana are all cool with you..man?
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Originally Posted by foolsparade
huh?? I thought alcohol was a depressant not an hallucinogen. If what you say is true than LSD, Mushrooms, Peyote, Marijuana are all cool with you..man?
I don’t think you understood the context of my statement. I was saying that alcohol is not like LSD or what ever. I see no evil with alcohol but of course it can be abused like any other substance.

"drugs don't kill people, pleople kill people".
I think you are mixing this up with guns. I've never heard drugs used in this statement.

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