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10th October 2003, 08:49 PM
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Reps: 26 (power: 0) | | | What would be the greater risk--believing God's Word and receiving Christ and living a wonderful life on earth filled with joy and peace and then die and find out there's nothing more after this life, or to let your skepticism cause you to refuse to believe in the precious, kind forgiving Lord Jesus and then die and find out it was all true, and heaven and hell are real? |
10th October 2003, 08:51 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Ryoko Ozaki I see.... However, if us Buddhists are right you'll just live another life as something depending on your Karma and desires, therefore clinging to this world yet again.
Hi Ryoko,
That doesn't sound so terrible, either. 
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10th October 2003, 09:27 PM
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Reps: 9,311,669,886,675,212 (power: 9,311,669,886,694) | | Originally Posted by Hidden in Christ What would be the greater risk--believing God's Word and receiving Christ and living a wonderful life on earth filled with joy and peace and then die and find out there's nothing more after this life, or to let your skepticism cause you to refuse to believe in the precious, kind forgiving Lord Jesus and then die and find out it was all true, and heaven and hell are real?
That's Pascal's Wager. But it's flawed because it assumes there are only two options: Christianity or atheism.
But if you die and it turns out Islam is correct... well, you'd better hope Islam isn't right. The Qu'ran promises not-so-nice things for those who worship false religions.
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10th October 2003, 10:06 PM
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Reps: 95 (power: 0) | | | Yup, Pacal's Wager is leaving out all of the other religions in the world.
I guess it doesn't sound bad but this world's in such a fix that it might not be so great.
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11th October 2003, 08:49 AM
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Reps: 26 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Pete Harcoff That's Pascal's Wager. But it's flawed because it assumes there are only two options: Christianity or atheism.
But if you die and it turns out Islam is correct... well, you'd better hope Islam isn't right. The Qu'ran promises not-so-nice things for those who worship false religions.
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Well, answer me this question--You may know something I don't know--does any other religion promise a worse fate, or even a fate as bad, for those who do not follow its beliefs as a never-ending sentence of punishment and anguish? Luke 16 tells us that those who are in hell cannot even obtain so much relief as a single drop of water to cool their tongues. |
11th October 2003, 11:27 AM
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Well, answer me this question--You may know something I don't know--does any other religion promise a worse fate, or even a fate as bad, for those who do not follow its beliefs as a never-ending sentence of punishment and anguish? Luke 16 tells us that those who are in hell cannot even obtain so much relief as a single drop of water to cool their tongues.
Yes, Islam. It promises eternal hellfire for non-believers.
But I don't think eternal punishment is much of a selling point for either religion...
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you know... it's funny coz...i don't understand what reason God has to lie to us in the first place.
Why in the world would God want to decieve the ppl He created and loves? What, in the Bible, seems false to you? Are you saying that you can believe that witchcraft and satanism exists and yet you doubt a Omni-everything God? Where is your faith? Blessed is he who has not seen and yet believes! have you forgotten the reason WHY you dedicated your life to Christ in the first place? have you Forgotten WHY you accepted Him as your personal Savior? Forget the Promises, forget the rewards... you have a God who loves you and protects you and is proud of who you are... Pls do not disappoint Him by calling Him a Liar. |
11th October 2003, 11:46 AM
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Reps: 585 (power: 0) | | | No one's answer the question yet. . . It's a hypothetical, folks, no one is saying that it would actually happen. (O'course, there're probably a few people around who'd say it's already happened, but. . .) The question is "What would you do?"
Heck, if it could be proven that everything in the Bible was wrong. . . and I mean everything, not just a few prophecies or historical bits and stuff. . .
I'd laugh at myself for being such a fool and convert to Buddhism.
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11th October 2003, 12:30 PM
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Reps: 95 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Hidden in Christ Well
Well, answer me this question--You may know something I don't know--does any other religion promise a worse fate, or even a fate as bad, for those who do not follow its beliefs as a never-ending sentence of punishment and anguish? Luke 16 tells us that those who are in hell cannot even obtain so much relief as a single drop of water to cool their tongues.
Well at least you admit that they use scare tactics to get people to believe in God and the stuff in the Bible. Which is a reason that a belief in God can be so strongly formed in one's mind, that is if that mind is controling you and you're not controling it.
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11th October 2003, 01:18 PM
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Reps: 26 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Pete Harcoff Yes, Islam. It promises eternal hellfire for non-believers.
But I don't think eternal punishment is much of a selling point for either religion...
Hmm...I wasn't aware that that was a teaching of Islam. I suppose I should research more.
Well, we've come to the conclusion that Islam promises a fate just as bad as Christianity (if what you said is accurate). Perhaps now we should look at the benefits of being a believer in Islam in this life and in the life to come. Do they teach that humans can have an all powerful God living in their souls in the person of the Holy Spirit, who produces supernatural joy, peace and love? Do they teach that the love of God is so powerful that it led Him to send His only Son to live, die and be raised from the dead that our sins might be forgiven? Do they teach that God hears and answers the prayers of ordinary people? I'll leave it at that and let someone else pick up the discussion. | | |
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