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Old 10th October 2003, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by newlamb
He was telling you what he was like as a non-believer.
But it also sounded like he was trying to project, as well. The implication from his post seemed to be, "I was a degenerate when I was an atheist, then I found God and now I'm a better person. Since you're still atheists, you're probably degenerates too, and therefore not as good a person as me."

Maybe I'm reading too much into his post, but that is what I got from it.
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Old 10th October 2003, 02:54 PM
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Why not just answer the question? This is under a hypothetical assumption... Saying it doesn't matter isn't really an answer to the question.
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Originally Posted by Pete Harcoff
But it also sounded like he was trying to project, as well. The implication from his post seemed to be, "I was a degenerate when I was an atheist, then I found God and now I'm a better person. Since you're still atheists, you're probably degenerates too, and therefore not as good a person as me."

Maybe I'm reading too much into his post, but that is what I got from it.
Not at all Pete. I do remember what it was like to be an unbeliever. My projection was not toward you. I agree.... may of the atheists I have met have been good folks. My father was an atheist, and one of my best friends at work is an atheist. So this is not a stab at you. But the question remains, as do my memories. When I thought that all there was to life was an eventual dirt nap.. I felt very like I was missing out on a lot of stuff by being a "goodie two shoes". I used to party hardy. I mean why not? I respect your assertions that atheists have other sources for their self restraint... but I mean what is the point? In my old days... I would have looked at an atheist with morals in the same way I looked at a Christian: just another religious nut who is afraid of living.
I have started a number of threads in this forum asking just these questions:

Why bother being good in this life when there is so much to gain in the world by being bad... and nothing to lose in the end?

I have yet to receive an answer that did not eventually lapse into some sort of sappy-religion.
So my conclusion is that most intellectual atheists are bad guys who are just afraid to be bad. Scared to go all the way so they support their inhibitions with their own sort of intellectually derived religiosity.
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Originally Posted by didaskalos
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I have started a number of threads in this forum asking just these questions:

Why bother being good in this life when there is so much to gain in the world by being bad... and nothing to lose in the end?
Because we are social animals that depend on each other for society to function. For example, I live with a roommate. There are times when she needs my help and I help her. Other times I need her help and she helps me. If we both acted solely for our owns self-interests all the time, then no one would benefit. Ultimately, it would breed tension and possibly conflict.

So acting "bad" all the time (or rather, self-serving) is not always to ideal solution long-term.

Furthermore, when you factor in children, there is even more reason not to be so self-serving. The health and well-being of the children is essential for the survivability of the human species as a whole. Hence, people will make sacrifices in their own lives for the benefit of their children.

I have yet to receive an answer that did not eventually lapse into some sort of sappy-religion.
I find that surprising.

So my conclusion is that most intellectual atheists are bad guys who are just afraid to be bad. Scared to go all the way so they support their inhibitions with their own sort of intellectually derived religiosity.
You seem to be painting atheists with a pretty broad brush. By the same token, I could paint Christians as clinging to their beliefs solely for a source of comfort rather than dealing with the realities of the world. But, in my own experience, I know better than to paint with such a broad brush.
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IF you die one day and found out that you didn't go to heaven or hell and that what the Bibble says is all wrong, wat will you do? Especially when you have devoted all your life into being a Christian!
That is a tough question. Since I know God intimately, it would not make sense. Throwing that aside: what could I do if there is no where to go. You should state my options; then I could tell you my answer better.
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IF you die one day and found out that you didn't go to heaven or hell and that what the Bibble says is all wrong, wat will you do? Especially when you have devoted all your life into being a Christian!
If the Bible is wrong, I'll be a dead fool and won't care.

If it's right, you'll be a live fool, who be where there is much "wailing and knashing of teeth," the response of a fool who knows it. That is what people will do who have denied manifest truth by force of will, not lack of evidence.

I'd take Pascal's wager before things get too bad in the Mideast.

Major wars start suddenly, and WWIII will be over in a few days, so you won't have a lot of time to get real with God.

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I believe I'm going to come back, be re-born and I wouldn't mind being a dog. They got the life! Well, my dog does..(talking to dog who is drooling on knee -). Bear, no you can not eat my hot dog!
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Isaiah, you seemed to attack me for not directly answering your question about the Rapture but you seem to think that it's okay for you to transpose that same idea of dismissal into your own post? You are a major hypocrite, and I can only hope that one day you see that.
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If the Bible is wrong, I'll be a dead fool and won't care.
Hi Rad. That's perfect!

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Old 10th October 2003, 08:42 PM
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I see.... However, if us Buddhists are right you'll just live another life as something depending on your Karma and desires, therefore clinging to this world yet again.
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