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Old 2nd October 2007, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Loudmouth View Post
Off of the top of my head, Genesis claims that humanity knows right from wrong, which seems to be true.
Claim? Seems?

Not a good start to an argument...

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Old 2nd October 2007, 08:57 AM
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Hi Nails,

I agree with you - but is this just you against the world type debate or can anyone join in?

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Originally Posted by LeeC View Post
Claim? Seems?

Not a good start to an argument...

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Originally Posted by Loudmouth View Post
Only the Sith speak in absolutes.
Like it... like it.

You are right of course.

If I had a hat, I would take it off to you

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Originally Posted by LeeC View Post
Hi Nails,

I agree with you - but is this just you against the world type debate or can anyone join in?

Lee
Interesting premise; I kind of like the idea of a one-man 'crusade' but I don't believe I have the time or intelligence for such a battle - so please feel free to join in.
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Originally Posted by NailsII View Post
I have come to the conclusion that Genesis is a book written by man for man, using the best knowledge they had at the time.
The Bible is a book that was written by man for man that is true, but was it inspired by God? Can I prove that those men of that day had knowledge that at that time was unknown, I think that I can.
Can anyone prove me wrong?
Your premise, that man wrote the Bible for man is a true premise, so no. Can I prove that man was inspired by God, I think I can.

Is there any evidence to suggest that ANY part of Genesis is real?
Anyhing at all, any claim no matter how small, I want to know about it.
The "claims" in the Genesis narrative can be supported by Scientific findings, would that be considered by you to be "real"?
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Originally Posted by Oncedeceived View Post
Can I prove that those men of that day had knowledge that at that time was unknown, I think that I can.
Can I prove that man was inspired by God, I think I can.
Go ahead, prove it then

The "claims" in the Genesis narrative can be supported by Scientific findings, would that be considered by you to be "real"?
Exactly what scientific findings?

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Come on, I've just started reading Genesis and I've already found a (probably) true claim

"And there was evening, and there was morning"

I'm sure there are plenty more like that...
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Originally Posted by Naraoia View Post
Go ahead, prove it then
1. That the universe had a beginning.
Up until around 1920 most people thought that the universe had always been. Scientific findings presented the support to the universe having a beginning. The writings of Genesis didn't have the evidence to point to this understanding.
2. The earth had a beginning. Which goes along with the universe as well.
3. and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of God hovered over the face of the waters.

Science has shown that the early universe was dark (see below)
Up until recently, there was a conflict with Science due to the fact that it was considered impossible for a liquid form to be present during the formation of the universe. This also comes in below.



And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

2 3 And God said: 'Let there be light.' And there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5

http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...ht_010808.html

Astronomers announced Tuesday they have seen through the fog of the early universe to spy some of the first light emitted during a "cosmic renaissance" that occurred when the first galaxies were born.
The announcement came just days after a different research group said they had spotted the first evidence of the cosmic dark ages, the period long thought to have preceded this newly spotted cosmic brightening.
Together, the studies provide glimpses into the earliest mechanisms of the universe, after the Big Bang. Astronomers familiar with the studies called them important for helping create a timeline of the universe's evolution.
Evidence for the two epochs have long been sought by astronomers and cosmologists, who believe the universe began in a Big Bang some 12 to 15 billion years ago, after which the universe expanded rapidly but remained dark for millions and millions of years. Lumps and bumps were thought to form in an otherwise smooth distribution of matter during these dark ages, and the first galaxies were born after gravity caused these clumps of matter to grow larger.
The galaxies marked the end of the dark ages and the beginning of the cosmic renaissance.


6 And God said: 'Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.' 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day. {P}


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7546975/

Liquid, not a gas
The quark-gluon plasma was made in the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider — a powerful atom smasher at Brookhaven National Laboratory in Upton, N.Y. Unexpectedly, the quark-gluon plasma behaved like a perfect liquid of quarks, instead of a gas, the physicists said.

9 And God said: 'Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear.' And it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters called He Seas; and God saw that it was good.
This again was thought conflicting with Scientific findings, it was thought that the early earth was too hot for a liquid state but that has been shown not to be the case. Early earth did have water on its surface.

4. That there were stages of life forms beginning in the sea.
Fossil evidence supports this as well. The people of ancient times did not have any evidence to suggest that life forms came about in stages.




Exactly what scientific findings?
See above.

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Come on, I've just started reading Genesis and I've already found a (probably) true claim

"And there was evening, and there was morning"

I'm sure there are plenty more like that..
Yep.
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[edited post] oops!
Originally Posted by NailsII View Post
Interesting analogy.
It wasn't an analogy. I had forgotten what discussion I was in, and posted something totally irrelevant to this topic. (hey, it happens from time to time )

"oops!" was my remark when I edited it out. That's all. Don't make it anything more than what it was.
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Plants came before animals.

Women do experience pain in childbirth sans medicine.

Boom headshot? Or not?

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