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20th September 2007, 12:15 AM
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If you seen something that looks like a large seed-pod under the bed... DON'T GO TO SLEEP!!! 
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20th September 2007, 12:45 PM
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I once ended up running the largest national account, but was technically subordinate to boss’s son, who was functionally illiterate. I had a team of people that I needed to give clear instructions to, in order that an essential task be performed precisely as I outlined it. Idiot boy asked me to re-write the directions so that they were longer and more “corporate” sounding. He wanted more gobledegook because that was what he thought was important. This is one of endless experiences that were bizarre and surreal, and spiritually damaging to me. Apparently many people find the movie office Space pretty funny. I did not, because t was so close to my experience.
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20th September 2007, 01:04 PM
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Reps: 110,509,730,416,270,384 (power: 110,509,730,416,284) | | Originally Posted by pmcleanj  One of the things I am finding hardest, is the social isolation. I'm accustomed to dealing, at a fairly fast pace, with staff, suppliers, customers, colleagues; and then family, teachers and friends and fellow-students (at ballet class and Tae-kwondo); and then with bible-study partners and fellow church-people and of course you all. What's notable about all those relationships is that we have a fundamentally shared perspective. I need the context of each of those relationships but especially (without glowing my own horn) as a "gifted adult" and as a spiritual person, I NEED the context of other people who recognize the complexities of the various problems I deal with and who share my value set and some aspects of my rather peculiar background. I've intentionally sought out relationships with such people.
Here, I am in a room with 20 professional colleagues and a handful of facilitators, but in an artificial situation where we are being invited to "share insights". I'm "sharing insights" with people who don't know who Rene Descartes is, who have never listened to Edvaard Grieg, who think that Jesus' influence in society is similar to the role of Feng Shui -- and THEY"RE "challenging" me to "step up and be engaged".
And the worst of it is, after two days of isolation from my normal extended support group, I am so lonely and hungry for spiritual conversation, that I'm tempted to actually share some of my inconveniently honest observations.
God, send me angels to guard my tongue!
I feel for you! I'm pretty good at daydreaming, but I don't know if you could get away with that in your situation, even if you found it helpful. Since it doesn't bring social interaction, maybe not. 
Thank goodness for internet connections. 
Mary
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20th September 2007, 05:15 PM
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Lord, make me an instrument of your peace,
Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
where there is injury, pardon;
where there is doubt, faith;
where there is despair, hope;
where there is darkness, light;
where there is sadness, joy; O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console;
to be understood as to understand;
to be loved as to love.
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20th September 2007, 05:56 PM
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" Well in the Kartesian model, as you all know, we often say Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam!"
Now I come to think of it, I wonder if that's why I'm not working currently? 
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dir="ltr"> "You cannot claim to worship Jesus in the Tabernacle, if you do not pity Jesus in the slums… It is folly — it is madness — to suppose that you can worship Jesus in the Sacraments and Jesus on the throne of glory, when you are sweating him in the souls and bodies of his children." -- Bishop Frank Weston, 1923 Anglo-Catholic Congress Father Ray McIntyre
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21st September 2007, 08:54 PM
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Did they get her??????????? 
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21st September 2007, 09:58 PM
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Reps: 3,058,096,514,874,249 (power: 3,058,096,514,895) | | Originally Posted by jtbdad Are you being held hostage do you need the police or are you kidding?
Wow I really was gone. Sorry Pamela.
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Lord, make me an instrument of your peace,
Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
where there is injury, pardon;
where there is doubt, faith;
where there is despair, hope;
where there is darkness, light;
where there is sadness, joy; O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console;
to be understood as to understand;
to be loved as to love.
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22nd September 2007, 09:25 AM
|  | Lord Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner
 
| | Join Date: 24th March 2004 Location: Alberta, Canada
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Reps: 54,596,350,786 (power: 54,596,364) | | Originally Posted by RobNJ Pamela's been quiet...... too quiet!!
Did they get her??????????? I escaped!!! I'm free!!! Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!
Originally Posted by jtbdad Wow I really was gone. Sorry Pamela. No problem, John! Your post did make me think about how careful we have to be on the internet NOT to cause that kind of misunderstanding!
It was my starting the original post with "Seriously, guys" that made it ambiguous. And I was serious about needing help -- but spiritual help, to overcome the spiritual abuse that so many of these "experiential" programmes comprise. I'm willing to give the practitioners the benefit of the doubt, that it's generally unintentional; but no less abusive just because of that.
Incidentally, happyfreak14 saw the post and sent me a nice encouraging PM, referring to the Centre as "that horrid human-pyramid place" -- a reference to Scott Adams' analysis of the different styles of management. That one was the "cheerleader" style: "Come on, team! Let's all build a human pyramid!".
I spent most of Thursday doing Theatre Improv sports (!!!). When I got home, I told Anne that I didn't build a human pyramid, but did spend 90 minutes out of doors using sawed-off PVC pipe to transport marbles into a paper cup. She asked what that had to do with leadership...  How do I answer that one?
We had the CEO drop in yesterday for the closing ceremonies, so we did actually manage to make some proposal presentations that might actually make some differences. But the most astounding thing about yesterday was that over dinner with my 14 and 11-year-olds I discussed more ideas and correlations than in five days with twenty of my colleagues.
I feel so much better now.
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22nd September 2007, 09:45 AM
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22nd September 2007, 09:44 PM
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