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13th September 2007, 11:24 PM
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Reps: 295,212,687,427,838,720 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET  I wish I could agree with you on this, but I can't.
Over the years since the Word of God was completed in 96AD, tares crept in among the wheat. So a council was held to separate the two, using strict criteria.
To do what God could not? God used 40 specific Spirit-filled men to write His Word.
The Gnostics were not among them - they were a prodigal group.
Then who was among them, and at which point did God fill them with the "Spirit"? |
14th September 2007, 01:11 AM
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Reps: 775 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by thaumaturgy I think that's because the only science AV can actually understand is that which was produced about 300 years ago. That seems to be where he stops with relevant science discussion. (Note his earlier refusal to discuss quantum mechanics, relativity, or any other more "current" topic in science other than Pluto's reclassification.)
That's not bad in and of itself. Science is hard and requires discipline. Not everyone is cut out to be a scientist nor does everyone have to be one.
It's just sad that AV can't seem to understand that his extreme lack of education in science does not make his arguments look good to an outside observer.
I think I'd feel guilty critiquing the Bible if I hadn't read it (sans apocrypha). I wish religious critics of science would do at least the minimum of learning in science before they slag it ruthlessly. It's the honorable thing to do.
(And considering that many many scientists are religious people, it makes his arguments doubly meaningless.)
I'm actually truly surprised how many scientists are Christian. Well over half the people in my med school classes are Christian.  |
14th September 2007, 10:01 AM
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Reps: 71,280,996,117 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Beccs I'm actually truly surprised how many scientists are Christian. Well over half the people in my med school classes are Christian.
Ask them 'Why' they are Christians,
is it because they were brought up to be Christians, or did they find Christ on their own?
the answer is obvious, but ask them anyway, it might make them think. |
14th September 2007, 10:57 AM
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This is a generalization. Not all Christians believe this way -- and it would be ridiculous not to consider Christianity simply because some Christians do.
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14th September 2007, 12:37 PM
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Reps: 49,506,284,250,467,360 (power: 49,506,284,250,480) | | Originally Posted by dukeofhazzard This is a generalization. Not all Christians believe this way -- and it would be ridiculous not to consider Christianity simply because some Christians do.
Agreed! Many paleontologists and scientists I have worked with over the years were people of faith.
It didn't seem to cause them any problems, even if I disagree with this particular disconnect...but we are all beings who compartmentalize our lives. Everyone does this to some greater or lesser extent.
I find YEC and Creationism to be annoying excesses of faith attempting to push into a field that the YEC or creationist doesn't fully understand, but indeed, religiousness does not keep one from being a good scientist. And vice versa. |
15th September 2007, 02:45 PM
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I suppose delusion is the better part of valour.
He who turns and runs away, lives to delude themselves another day.
Delusion makes the creationist world go round. |
15th September 2007, 04:31 PM
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Reps: 49,506,284,250,467,360 (power: 49,506,284,250,480) | | Originally Posted by consol It looks like AV1611VET has decided to quietly slip away.
I suppose delusion is the better part of valour.
He who turns and runs away, lives to delude themselves another day.
Delusion makes the creationist world go round.
Sadly often the only thing it takes to defeat a Creationist argument is to provide
1. Facts
2. Explanation of what science really is.
They usually just vaporize in that sort of environment.
Sad really. The Crevo debate would be so much better and more fun if most creationists had even had one single geology or biology class. Just one! Then they might know some of the terms, they might know that there is a lot of science behind it and they might be able to keep from sounding so much like...well, creationists! |
15th September 2007, 07:15 PM
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Reps: 71,280,996,117 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by thaumaturgy Sadly often the only thing it takes to defeat a Creationist argument is to provide
1. Facts
2. Explanation of what science really is.
They usually just vaporize in that sort of environment.
Sad really. The Crevo debate would be so much better and more fun if most creationists had even had one single geology or biology class. Just one! Then they might know some of the terms, they might know that there is a lot of science behind it and they might be able to keep from sounding so much like...well, creationists!
Unfortunately that would do no good at all, if they had taken
one single geology or biology class, and had listened, and understood,
they would not be creationists, so they steer well clear of geology
and biology classes, otherwise their brains would be contaminated
with the truth, God forbid, the truth smacks of thinking,
which is something no self respecting creationist would ever do. | | |
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