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The “Peppered Moth” Example

Many evolutionist/atheists use this as an example of

evolution. In the middle of the 19th century England, a

study was done estimating the ratio of light colored to dark

colored moths in Manchester. Most of the moths were

light colored, like the one camouflaged in the picture to the

right, and some were dark colored. But once the trees became darker with the burning of coal in factories, the moth population became primarily dark, as they were camouflaged against the darker trees.



Duh!



Of course moths are going to survive if they are camouflaged! Would anyone expect anything different? Evolutionists cite this as an example of natural selection, and proof of evolution in action. We would cite this as a great example of how far into the depths of stupidity an evolutionist can fall in his attempt to give validity to their religion. But contrary to the evolutionist model, these moths are still moths, even to this day. Was any new genetic information added in this example? No, the moths were both light and dark colored from the start, meaning that the genetic information was already there.
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Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
Many evolutionist/atheists use this as an example of evolution.
Come up with something I haven't already dealt with.
http://foru.ms/showthread.php?t=1824...red-moths.html
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We would cite this as a great example of how far into the depths of stupidity an evolutionist can fall in his attempt to give validity to their religion.
No, you're totally right; it's the evolutionists who are the stupid ones
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Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
But contrary to the evolutionist model, these moths are still moths, even to this day. .
Who says they would ever change into anything but modified moths?
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Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
Evolutionists cite this as an example of natural selection, and proof of evolution in action.
Yep. So what's the problem?
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A recent study also vindicated the original findings, and addressed many of the common criticisms: link.
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Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
Many evolutionist/atheists use this as an example of evolution. In the middle of the 19th century England, a study was done estimating the ratio of light colored to dark colored moths in Manchester. Most of the moths were light colored, like the one camouflaged in the picture to the right, and some were dark colored. But once the trees became darker with the burning of coal in factories, the moth population became primarily dark, as they were camouflaged against the darker trees.
This story is, I believe, untrue. Nevertheless, it stands as an analogy.

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Duh!
Of course moths are going to survive if they are camouflaged! Would anyone expect anything different?
The anti-evolutoinsts of the early 20th century: that a 'kind' could 'transform' over generations baffled them.

Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
Evolutionists cite this as an example of natural selection, and proof of evolution in action.
I fail to see how it isn't an example of evolution by natural selection.

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We would cite this as a great example of how far into the depths of stupidity an evolutionist can fall in his attempt to give validity to their religion.
So... much... wrong...
So little time...

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But contrary to the evolutionist model, these moths are still moths, even to this day.
What evolutionist predicts that the moths would diverge into an entirely new taxa?

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Was any new genetic information added in this example?
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No, the moths were both light and dark colored from the start, meaning that the genetic information was already there.
Genetic information? What on Earth are you talking about?
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Evolution is defined as a change in allele frequency over time. Given that orginally the gene for lighter color was dominant throughout the species until the soot coverd the trees and then in a few generations the gene that expresses darker coloring became dominant this is a perfect example of evolution.
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