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Originally Posted by Data
Hmm.. That doesn't sound right. Give me a link.
Grrf. Still looking. I am Googling it at the moment, as I didn't have the page bookmarked. All I can find now are about a dozen of Christian weblinks.
Anyways, Stalins belief in "Survival of the Fittest" led him to murder more than 6 million people.
As far as that first link I gave you, I'm not familiar with the site.. It popped up in Google. If I can find more, I'll post it here, although I won't be spending too much time on it.
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Where do YECs dig up this nonsense? Do they sit around saying what fact of history or science can we totally distort today to make evolution look bad?
The Soviets rejected Darwinism because survival of the fittest didn't meet with their Marxist Ideals. They even rejected Mendalian genetics for Lamarkism under the influence of Lysenko a Soviet peasant who destroyed Soviet Biological Science and wrecked their agricultural production. Lysenko was supported wholeheartedly by Stalin and later by Khruschev at least for a while. Stalin murdered people because he was a viscious dictator who maintained his power through terror. It had nothing to do with Darwin. I gave one link but you can read about this in many places. It is very well known. To me this just looks like AiG and other creationist sites counting on the ignorance of their followers.
I'll bet that Stalin believed in Gravity and exploited it to throw bodies in holes and bury them. Better stop believing in that evil theory of gravity right away.
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Originally Posted by Frumious Bandersnatch
Where do YECs dig up this nonsense? Do they sit around saying what fact of history or science can we totally distort today to make evolution look bad?
The Soviets rejected Darwinism because survival of the fittest didn't meet with their Marxist Ideals. They even rejected Mendalian genetics for Lamarkism under the influence of Lysenko a Soviet peasant who destroyed Soviet Biological Science and wrecked their agricultural production. Lysenko was supported wholeheartedly by Stalin and later by Khruschev at least for a while. Stalin murdered people because he was a viscious dictator who maintained his power through terror. It had nothing to do with Darwin. I gave one link but you can read about this in many places. It is very well known. To me this just looks like AiG and other creationist sites counting on the ignorance of their followers.
I'll bet that Stalin believed in Gravity and exploited it to throw bodies in holes and bury them. Better stop believing in that evil theory of gravity right away.
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Without a link, I'd say this was a perfectly executed straw man argument. At least quote the sources provided at the bottom of that link.
And I'm not a YEC'er, either.
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Nothing is more despicable than a respect based on fear.
So it is very relevant that a young Bolshevik named Stalin had written in 1906 that neo-Lamarckianism was supplanting neo-Darwinism and that this proved once more that the Engelsian law of the dialectical transformation of quality was correct (Coulter, p. l50).
But there is good evidence that STALIN supported Lamarckian ideas and believed in them. In his 1906 article "Anarchism or Socialism?" analyzed the late 19th century debates between neo-Lamarckians (probably he had Herbert Spencer in mind) and the so-called neo-Darwinians (Weismann and others). Stalin sided with the neo-Lamarckians. This 1906 article was republished in 1947, in Stalin's collected works.
In Stalin's view, Lysenko had to sharpen his criticism of Weismann and his theory. He wrote in the margins: "Weismann?" As a result, Lysenko added several paragraphs to his speech criticizing Weismannism.
So Stalin the alleged Darwinist was attacking Darwin as early as 1906 and supported Lysenko's attacks on Darwinism in favor of Lamarkian ideas and encouraged him to be even stronger in his attack on the Neo-Darwinist Weismann. The Lysenko story is very well known and it surpises me that creationist think they can get away with calling Stalin a Darwinist.
I am glad you are not a YECer. You should learn not to trust the things that Geocentrists and other YECs have on their web sites.
At a very early age, while still a pupil in the ecclesiastical school, Comrade Stalin developed a critical mind and revolutionary sentiments. He began to read Darwin and became an atheist.
G. Glurdjidze, a boyhood friend of Stalin's, relates:
"I began to speak of God, Joseph heard me out, and after a moment's silence, said:
"'You know, they are fooling us, there is no God. . . .'
"I was astonished at these words, I had never heard anything like it before.
"'How can you say such things, Soso?' I exclaimed.
"'I'll lend you a book to read; it will show you that the world and all living things are quite different from what you imagine, and all this talk about God is sheer nonsense,' Joseph said.
"'What book is that?' I enquired.
"'Darwin. You must read it,' Joseph impressed on me" 1
A few pages later, another individual--also reflecting on Stalin's youthful pursuits, added the following:
". . .in order to disabuse the minds of our seminary students of the myth that the world was created in six days, we had to acquaint ourselves with the geological origin and age of the earth, and be able to prove them in argument; we had to familiarize ourselves with Darwin's teachings."1
E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin (Moscow: Foreign Languages Publishing house, 1940), pp. 8-12
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Wouldn't it be more of a positive step to find something constructive to refute it?
Ok. How about a look at the credibility and reliability of your source?
The link you posted is utter nonsense. It's selling a book based on Geocentricism. It mantains that the Earth is the fixed center of the universe, and that everything else revolves around it.
Seeing as how the entire site is based on complete lunacy, I see no reason to trust any scientific claims made by it.
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