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22nd August 2007, 05:04 PM
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Reps: 781 (power: 0) | | | Evolution Christian/Mulsim - no death before the Garden? I don't know what the Qu Ran says, but I know the Bible says there was no death before Ada and Eve. By reading the Bible, how to you reconcile evolution with that? Is the passage a metaphor as well?
__________________ "If we in the developed world reduce our meat consumption on grounds that it might help to alleviate world hunger, would it actually make any difference to those without enough food?"
" Reduced demand for meat will directly reduce the world price for meat, making meat more affordable for customers in developed countries..."
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22nd August 2007, 05:40 PM
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Reps: 225 (power: 0) | | | I'd love to see this. Where does it say that there was no death before "the Fall?" | 
22nd August 2007, 05:57 PM
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Romans 5:12
Romans 5:14
1 Co 15:21-22
theres prob more I don't know about.
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22nd August 2007, 06:02 PM
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Reps: 692,329,274,203,046 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Phil4987 Easy, here they are lazybones:
Romans 5:12
Romans 5:14
1 Co 15:21-22
theres prob more I don't know about.
Tradition has it that these books were written by Paul around 50 AD. Why are these considered valid interpretations of Genesis, written about 700 years earlier? Was Paul there before the Fall? How would he know? | 
22nd August 2007, 06:13 PM
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Reps: 781 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by GoSeminoles! Tradition has it that these books were written by Paul around 50 AD. Why are these considered valid interpretations of Genesis, written about 700 years earlier? Was Paul there before the Fall? How would he know?
Inspired by God plus his testimony is reliable.
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22nd August 2007, 06:34 PM
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Reps: 692,329,274,203,046 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Phil4987 Inspired by God plus his testimony is reliable.
That's just hand-waving. Paul pulls something out of his butt and some folks believe it without question. Nice. | 
22nd August 2007, 06:37 PM
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Reps: 225 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by GoSeminoles! That's just hand-waving. Paul pulls something out of his butt and some folks believe it without question. Nice.
The Bible is true. I know so because it says so in the Bible. I know that because the Bible is true. I know so because it says so in the Bible. I know that because the Bible is true. I know so because it says so in the Bible. I know that because the Bible is true. I know so because it says so in the Bible. I know that because the Bible is true. I know so because it says so in the Bible. I know that because the Bible is true. I know so because it says so in the Bible. I know that because the Bible is true. I know so because it says so in the Bible... | 
22nd August 2007, 06:44 PM
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Reps: 257,463,246,207,844,928 (power: 257,463,246,207,853) | | | So animals sinned too? Because Romans 5:12 definitely says that all sinned. Unless it isn't referring to animals, and no humans could die before humans came around because they weren't there to die.
And will animals be ressurected with everyone? Since in Christ all will be made alive? Or is it again possible that Corinthians is just referring to humans as well?
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22nd August 2007, 06:46 PM
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Reps: 225 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by metherion So animals sinned too? Because Romans 5:12 definitely says that all sinned. Unless it isn't referring to animals, and no humans could die before humans came around because they weren't there to die.
And will animals be ressurected with everyone? Since in Christ all will be made alive? Or is it again possible that Corinthians is just referring to humans as well?
Metherion
You just committed the worst sin imaginable - putting humans and dirty animals together in the same category. Didn't they teach you that we're super-dooper special creations, and the only reason the universe exists in the first place! | 
22nd August 2007, 06:51 PM
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But thankfully I'm not expecting the Spanish Inquisition anytime soon.
OH CRAP! Here they are. Gotta run!
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