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brb, I g2g eat. I'll be back to answer your objections LoudMouth. This thread is getting tight.
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Unless Mr. Mark Isaac or whoever else could demonstrate in the lab how the helium escaped from the rock, I'm not going to take him seriously.
It does. Not only that, but Humphrey's et al. used a lab vacuum to measure diffusion rates. They try to pretend that this vacuum is somehow equivalent to the high pressures that the zircons were exposed in their original setting. You might want to check out this article written by Dr. Henke, a real geologist. The vacuum is but one mistake that Humphrey's et al. made. They also misidentified the rocks they were sampling and did not ractor in sources of helium outside of their narrow survey. Here is a nice little quote from the site linked to above:
A major assumption of Humphreys et al.'s work is that helium diffusion measurements obtained under a laboratory vacuum (for example, Appendix C of Humphreys et al., 2003a) are essentially the same as natural diffusion coefficients at depths of 750 - 4310 meters in the subsurface of Fenton Hill (about 200 to 1,200 bars of pressure; Winkler, 1979, p. 5). Contrary to the assumptions of Humphreys et al., helium should more readily degas from a bare zircon in a rapidly heated laboratory vacuum than from a deep subsurface zircon that is surrounded by impermeable minerals and high-pressure fluids.
__________________ "Since YAC [Young-Age Creation] epistemology accepts Biblical claims over physical evidence and human reason, logical or evidential arguments for evolution and/or against YAC are likely to be ineffective in converting most YACists."--Kurt Wise
__________________ You will do me the justice to remember, that I have always strenuously supported the Right of every Man to his own opinion, however different that opinion might be to mine. He who denies to another this right, makes a slave of himself to his present opinion, because he precludes himself the right of changing it.
BTW, kent hovind, he's not even an amateur. he says he taught high school science for 15 years, bull****!!!! there is absolutely no evidence for this. he spent his whole life as a pastor, and many people have asked him to state which schools he taught science, and he never has answered.
Creationists, for the most part, use C14 dating and helium diffusion from zircon crystals. The helium diffusion dates give rocks a maximum age of 6000 +/- 2000 years.
C14 dating gives a maximum accurate reading of 50,000 years. When looking at lake varves we see a continuous 50,000 year record that is uninterrupted by a global flood. The lake varves go even farther but they can not be effectively dated using C14.
__________________ "Since YAC [Young-Age Creation] epistemology accepts Biblical claims over physical evidence and human reason, logical or evidential arguments for evolution and/or against YAC are likely to be ineffective in converting most YACists."--Kurt Wise
__________________ You will do me the justice to remember, that I have always strenuously supported the Right of every Man to his own opinion, however different that opinion might be to mine. He who denies to another this right, makes a slave of himself to his present opinion, because he precludes himself the right of changing it.
Although I don't think I have anything personal against Mr. Hovind. I just don't like how he parades his supposed Ph.D.
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Yes, that kid. By the way, Kent Hovind is an amateur. VenomFang copies Kent Hovind.
I tend to think that anyone who gets paid to do something is a professional at that something. If a golfer is paid 1 million dollars for winning the US Open he is not an amateur. Kent Hovind is in jail because he did not pay taxes on the money he earned while pushing creationism. He may be misguided or just plain whacko but an amateur he is not.
__________________ "Since YAC [Young-Age Creation] epistemology accepts Biblical claims over physical evidence and human reason, logical or evidential arguments for evolution and/or against YAC are likely to be ineffective in converting most YACists."--Kurt Wise
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