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The Bible tells us how long God's days are.

In 2 Peter 3:8b the NIV says " With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day." This proves that in todays time, God took 6000 years to create the earth and 1000 years of rest. So therefore God may have used something like "evolution" to create the earth.

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What?????

that verse says a day is LIKE a thousand years...not a day IS a thousand years.
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Old 28th September 2003, 06:26 PM
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It is wrong to say that 2 Pet 3:8 is some kind of absolute standard of biblical time measurements. It's simply saying that time is not an issue for God. You don't go to Rev 20 and say the 1,000 years is only one day because you have to exchange the one time reference for the other because Peter said so. You would have to say that Christ was in the tomb for 3,000 years. We're not supposed to swap "1,000 years" for the word "day", nor are we to swap "one day" for "1000 years" because God uses some code that we have to crack. God is not bound by time and it doesn't make a difference to him. That's what Peter is saying.
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So, Noah's flood lasted 40,000 years?

And Jesus died and rose 3,000 years later?
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I think this is a non-point you've made, for the reasons everyone else has given. Peter's point is not that 1 day for God is 1000 years, but that God is not constrained by time, as we are. Thus, one day IS LIKE 1000 years, and vice versa.

Besides, the theory of evolution requires geological time for the sort of biodiversity the earth posesses, not 'just' 6000 years.
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Old 29th September 2003, 12:23 AM
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Karaite,

As thekawasakikid pointed out, that is the exact opposite of the point I was trying to make. Of course I'm generally not the greatest orator, so I can understand if what I wrote threw you off.
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God uses some code that we have to crack.
"Crack the Code" by 311; my favorite song

That's all I have to say
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"Creationists are going to distort whatever arguments come up.... Archaeopteryx is half reptile and half bird any way you cut the deck, and so it is a Rosetta stone for evolution, whether it is related to dinosaurs or not. These creationists are confusing an argument about minor details of evolution with the indisputable fact of evolution."

-Dr. Alan Feduccia, in an interview with Discover magazine

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I believe what God is trying to tell us here is that TIME means nothing to Him. HE Created Time. Time is His "Servant", it is subject to His Will, just like everything else.

In the Qur'an, a day for God is described once as 1000 years, and in another place as 50000! What does this mean? That time has no meaning, and that in fact a day in the sight of Our Lord is an Eternity and never ends.

I disagree with the idea that God needs to "rest" on the 7th day by the way. He commanded us to rest on the 7th day, but not because He needed it too. What kind of God would need to rest, the whole Universe would fall apart, He's not watching us from waaaaay out there, He's maintaining the whole thing and watching us at the same time. All this is too easy for Him anyway.
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Originally Posted by knee-v
Karaite,

As thekawasakikid pointed out, that is the exact opposite of the point I was trying to make. Of course I'm generally not the greatest orator, so I can understand if what I wrote threw you off.
Actually, I was not responding to you. It was to the first post.

Sorry if you thought it was to you...

heh,heh...people around here seem to be obsessed with the whole "day" word.
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Old 29th September 2003, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by mo.mentum
I disagree with the idea that God needs to "rest" on the 7th day by the way. He commanded us to rest on the 7th day
That's interesting. Is this something I can find in the Qu'ran? Or is it just that you are one of the few Muslims who consider the Bible to be a secondary source of theology?

I have but a vague understanding of the idea of the 'day of worship' from the Islamic view. In the Judeo-Christian world, the day of worship is associated with the day of rest. For most Christians, it is Sunday, and for others it is Saturday (Shabbat, the real 7th day). I know that for Muslims the day of prayer (and worship?) is Friday. But I don't know if that is what you consider to be the 'day of rest' (7th).

Is that considered the 7th day? or is your statement above something you took from the Biblical Scriptures?

PS. I know this is off-topic, but I just thought I would ask....sorry everyone. I have a Islam - Christianity area at my board, but I don't know if there is any in here. Where would these conversations take place around here?
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