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Just a nitpick- shouldn't it be RLST 201-010 instead of 2010? a 2000 level class would intimidate too many people out of it- and might not fit in the registration forms.
It's not the usual way of doing things, but my old university uses four digits for courses for some reason. So the lecture should have been RLST 2010-010, and the recitations RLST 2010-011, -012, etc.
I'm also not sure it would be a 200-level class or in the RLST (religious studies); it's almost certainly suitable for a freshman course in PHIL. Of course, once the courses get into Scientology (as a scam), you can be sure that it would cause a (expletive delted)-storm of epic proportions which would likely cause all but the best and most courageous universities to shut down the course. Heck, even the section on creationism would probably result in death-threats.
Christians make up a disproportionately high portion of the prison population of the United States, for instance.
Religious people are, in all likelihood, more violent on average.
A citation of the data would be useful here, especially if it included a break-down of what crimes were being committed by what groups. Also, the statistics that I've seen have the data taken anonymously when prisoners first enter prison, which would preclude any possibility that their answers were given in an attempt to get parole.
Furthermore, if prisoners are being paroled simply because of their religious affiliation, it says something rather awful about the parole system. If the legal system can't even act legally itself, America is in deep trouble.
so arunma, how would one scientifically test to see who is the more violent group?
In this case the results do say something. because if you look that the ratio, their are still a higher % of Christians (out of Christians) in jail then their are atheist to atheist. This does not distort the facts that their are more Christians then atheist. the study also showed that atheists have lower divorce rates then Christians. so much for god helping to keep it all together eh?
I attribute this to Christians feeling they live in a consequence free environment as long as they worship god. possibly the belief that they have another life after this one. Atheists know if the go to jail for life thats all the life they are ever going to have.
to be honest, i don't know if this study is study is saying the % of Christians that go to jail, or ARE in jail, as i know lots of people become Christian in jail out of fear and the fact you get let out sooner (bias)
so arunma, how would one scientifically test to see who is the more violent group?
In this case the results do say something. because if you look that the ratio, their are still a higher % of Christians (out of Christians) in jail then their are atheist to atheist. This does not distort the facts that their are more Christians then atheist. the study also showed that atheists have lower divorce rates then Christians. so much for god helping to keep it all together eh?
I attribute this to Christians feeling they live in a consequence free environment as long as they worship god. possibly the belief that they have another life after this one. Atheists know if the go to jail for life thats all the life they are ever going to have.
to be honest, i don't know if this study is study is saying the % of Christians that go to jail, or ARE in jail, as i know lots of people become Christian in jail out of fear and the fact you get let out sooner (bias)
Consider the fact that atheists tend to be better educated and you might have the answer for these seemingly paradoxical (or ironic...whichever) statistics.
44% of americans want creationist "science" taught alongside evolutionary science
How do I create a poll?
Creationism should only be taught in science class as the alternative point of view from the start before they go into Darwinism evolution. It should be stated from a fact point of view of other God fearing Americans, that believe in Goddidit. But it should be left to all denominations to teach their point of view of the Goddidit message. Our forefathers came here for escape from religious prosecution, and I can't let that go. However we gotta get the old moth and monkey evolution frame out!!! Everything should be discussed as a point of view and facts presented.
I know Goddidit. But don't want any man or womans word getting in the way of truth.
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Creationism should only be taght in science class as the alternative point of veiw fron the start before they go into Darwinism evolution. It should be stated from a fact point of view of other God fearing Americans, that believe in Goddidit. But it should be left to all denominations to teach their point of view of the Goddidit message. Our forefathers came here for escape from religious prosocution, and I can't let that go. However we gotta get the old moth and monkey evolution frame out!!! Everything should be discussed as a point of view and facts presented.
I know Goddidit. But don't want any man or womens word getting in the way of truth.
i don't understand. are you saying teach creation as a sort of super fast intro to keep creationists happy? I don't think it should be taught or even mentioned, because of creation wants its place it must first prove its self as science, not as the political movement it currently is.
If creation does prove itself as science, then by all means, i welcome it in schools, but its pretty clear with the dover case of 2005 that theirs nothing scientific about creation or id. at least not for the moment.
i don't understand. are you saying teach creation as a sort of super fast intro to keep creationists happy? I don't think it should be taught or even mentioned, because of creation wants its place it must first prove its self as science, not as the political movement it currently is.
If creation does prove itself as science, then by all means, i welcome it in schools, but its pretty clear with the dover case of 2005 that theirs nothing scientific about creation or id. at least not for the moment.
There is nothing better as of yet.
Extreme evolution is just as much a theory.
so arunma, how would one scientifically test to see who is the more violent group?
It would be a good idea to see how many of these criminals were active in a Christian church prior to their conviction. Church activity obviously isn't a guarantee of a true conversion experience, but it might be a reasonable marker of such an experience for this proposed study. It might also be of limited value to conduct interviews with religious convicts.
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In this case the results do say something. because if you look that the ratio, their are still a higher % of Christians (out of Christians) in jail then their are atheist to atheist. This does not distort the facts that their are more Christians then atheist. the study also showed that atheists have lower divorce rates then Christians. so much for god helping to keep it all together eh?
I'm not sure you understand that corelation does not imply causality. It could, for example, simply be that atheists tend to marry solely for the financial benefits, and don't have any real attachment to their spouse. There are a number of other scenarios I could concoct which would explain these statistics.
And incidentally, it would be preferable if you would cite your statistics, because I've never heard this one before (not that it is necessarily incorrect).
I attribute this to Christians feeling they live in a consequence free environment as long as they worship god. possibly the belief that they have another life after this one. Atheists know if the go to jail for life thats all the life they are ever going to have.
to be honest, i don't know if this study is study is saying the % of Christians that go to jail, or ARE in jail, as i know lots of people become Christian in jail out of fear and the fact you get let out sooner (bias)
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There is nothing better as of yet.
Extreme evolution is just as much a theory.
this is were the slander lies. Creation Is not a theory. It has no science to back up its claims, if you feel their is some science involved in creation, please post it here.
Evolution Is a SCIENTIFIC THEORY. Your words insinuate that a theory is just an idea, but a scientific theory is something that goes through extrenious peer review. Gravity as we know it is still a scientific theory. A theory in science is as close to facts as one can get.
Scientists understand the methods of evolution and how it occurs. scientists cannot say whats behind gravity. In other words, scientists understand evolution MORE then gravity in this respect.
Creation isn't even a hypothesis because their is no science to test. A hypothesis is one step down from a theory.
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