should creationism be taught in public schools?

KerrMetric · #31 12th August 2007, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by KTatis

Religious people are less likely to be violent than nonreligious.

Utter falsehood. Heck I'm a Christian but I have to admit your statement is rubbish.

Atheuz · #32 12th August 2007, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by KTatis

Religious people are less likely to be violent than nonreligious. Now I'm not saying nonreligious people don't have any morale what I'm saying is religious people believe in peace and togetherness and harmony. While non-religious people believe in the changes of things. And by that I mean nonreligious people believe that they need to prove another person wrong simply to feel bigger and to be right and gloat about it.

Religion has done some damage to society in the past but in modern times people look at religion as a way of a cultural bond somewhere they can belong.

When the non-religious versus religious ratio is taken into consideration when talking about crime - The vast majority are still Christian. GUESS U WER WRONG LOL?

arunma · #33 12th August 2007, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by consol

I have thought hard about this and there is no other way to say it, YOU ARE STUPID.
You don't know what evolution is.

Am I really? Apparently I succeeded, despite the sardonic nature of my earlier post.

KTatis · #34 12th August 2007, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by consol

What has creationism got to do with religion??? If creationism is a religion, then their church is a lunatic asylum. They advocate and preach stupidity, if there is even the slightest sign of a brain, you are not wanted, because you might cause trouble by asking questions they can not answer.

I am no creationist but if you are going to teach evolution in school you might as well teach creationism too. Don't lead the public to believe what you want or what you think is right (even if it is) let them decide what they want to believe as long as it doesn't damage their physical being. Moreover if you wish to teach just evolution in school then your no better creationist who just want creationism taught in school.

If evolution and creationism could be expressed in school people could make up their mind about the two and than they would have a reason to believe in what they believe. Because many people who doubt evolution knows nothing about it and those who doubt a god or whatever are obviously nonreligious.

Atheuz · #35 12th August 2007, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by KTatis

I am no creationist but if you are going to teach evolution in school you might as well teach creationism too. Don't lead the public to believe what you want or what you think is right (even if it is) let them decide what they want to believe as long as it doesn't damage their physical being. Moreover if you wish to teach just evolution in school then your no better creationist who just want creationism taught in school.

If evolution and creationism could be expressed in school people could make up their mind about the two and than they would have a reason to believe in what they believe. Because many people who doubt evolution knows nothing about it and those who doubt a god or whatever are obviously nonreligious.

Yes - But here's the problem, they require the things taught to actually have something to do with the subject(Science, Biology and if you want to include Abiogenesis - Chemistry), Creationism has nothing to do with either of them - It's a religious philosophy based of faith and absolutely nothing else, the majority of the supporters spend their time trying to debunk evolution or other scientific topics instead of looking for empirical evidence for Creationism. Oh and... Constitution. Read it or at least know what it's about?

consol · #36 12th August 2007, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by KTatis

I am no creationist but if you are going to teach evolution in school you might as well teach creationism too. Don't lead the public to believe what you want or what you think is right (even if it is) let them decide what they want to believe as long as it doesn't damage their physical being. Moreover if you wish to teach just evolution in school then your no better creationist who just want creationism taught in school.

If evolution and creationism could be expressed in school people could make up their mind about the two and than they would have a reason to believe in what they believe. Because many people who doubt evolution knows nothing about it and those who doubt a god or whatever are obviously nonreligious.

So will you please tell us where do we stop, what other crack pot ideas would you like to teach kids?

If you had your way, any nut case with an idea for a so called religion could demand you teach kids about it,
if it is called a religion, it should be taught in a religious class, where it can be discussed as a religion.

Tell me what creationism has to do with science? because that's where they want it taught,
in a science class, have you ever heard anything so ludicrous as that,
they are all as nutty as a ton of fruit cakes.

JohnHarthover · #37 12th August 2007, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by KTatis

I am no creationist but if you are going to teach evolution in school you might as well teach creationism too. Don't lead the public to believe what you want or what you think is right (even if it is) let them decide what they want to believe as long as it doesn't damage their physical being. Moreover if you wish to teach just evolution in school then your no better creationist who just want creationism taught in school.

If evolution and creationism could be expressed in school people could make up their mind about the two and than they would have a reason to believe in what they believe. Because many people who doubt evolution knows nothing about it and those who doubt a god or whatever are obviously nonreligious.

I think that you forget that there is a point to science class outside of religious arguments. Evolution is the basis for all of biology including the stuff that delivers cures to cancer and other diseases. How many of the recent Noble Prize winners (for Medicine) used their knowledge of Evolution in their work? A lot of them do. The point of education is to teach kids about the world and creationism has nothing to do with the real world so it is a waste of time to teach it.

Dannager · #38 12th August 2007, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by KTatis

Religious people are less likely to be violent than nonreligious.

KerrMetric is absolutely right.

Christians make up a disproportionately high portion of the prison population of the United States, for instance.

Religious people are, in all likelihood, more violent on average.

FishFace · #39 12th August 2007, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by KTatis

I am no creationist but if you are going to teach evolution in school you might as well teach creationism too. Don't lead the public to believe what you want or what you think is right (even if it is) let them decide what they want to believe as long as it doesn't damage their physical being. Moreover if you wish to teach just evolution in school then your no better creationist who just want creationism taught in school.

This is just the "teach the controversy" argument, but from the wrong side. It makes no sense to teach things that aren't science in a science classroom. Should we also teach that the earth was created last Thursday? Should we teach Pastafarianism? Because if we're supposed to teach everything and leave it up to the kids, that's what we ought to be doing.

arunma · #40 12th August 2007, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Dannager

KerrMetric is absolutely right.

Christians make up a disproportionately high portion of the prison population of the United States, for instance.

Religious people are, in all likelihood, more violent on average.

I don't like to quote heathens, but the saying about "lies, damned lies, and statistics" comes to mind. The above statement cannot, by itself, justify the conclusion that you seem to be implying. As you are aware, many convicts find religion in prison in order to be paroled, so one would expect a survey of convicts to find them more religious than the American population. But maybe you don't believe that Christianity predisposes one to violence. If so, then perhaps you could clarify.

If I may ask: why do you practice a religion which causes violence?