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5th August 2007, 10:55 PM
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Reps: 233,147,813,510,988,768 (power: 233,147,813,511,065) | | | Do we inherit the Original Sin from Adam and Eve or just the consequences? Hi everyone.  I am intending for this to be a debate thread between the two views. First of all, please state your view, then state why you believe this. You only have to do this to start with that way it gives a better basis on which to debate. I'll start.
I believe that we actually inherit the actual sin (original sin) from Adam and Eve and that we do not inherit only the consequences. I believe this because I believe it is Biblical.
[bible]Romans 3:23[/bible]
I believe that this teaches that all have sinned, including infants. How can an infant sin? I don't know exactly but this is clearly what this verse teaches in my opinion. | 
5th August 2007, 11:01 PM
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6th August 2007, 12:44 AM
|  | Regular Member 38  | | Join Date: 11th June 2007
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Afterall, if we reject Adam as our "representative" how can we expect Christ to represent us in our stead.
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6th August 2007, 12:12 PM
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Reps: 233,147,813,510,988,768 (power: 233,147,813,511,065) | | Originally Posted by IamAdopted Yes we do inherit the complete sin nature and we are slaves to sin until we are born again.
Please define "sin nature". | 
6th August 2007, 10:08 PM
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6th August 2007, 10:08 PM
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10th August 2007, 12:02 PM
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Romans 5 does NOT say that we inherit sin. It says that "sin entered the world through one man, and death spread to all men because all have sinned."
It does NOt say "Sin entered mankind through one man, and sin spread to all men because Adam sinned."
James 1:14-15 says "But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death."
Sin is not already present. Sin is born inside the individual heart.
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22nd August 2007, 01:02 AM
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Adam has assumed new nature when he fell - he became sinful - we inherit the consequences of the fall and not the guilt -
Adam is guilty of his own sins and we are guilty of our own - no one is guilty of anyone else's sins -
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23rd August 2007, 11:43 AM
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Is it the 'flesh'? The part we need to die to?
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23rd August 2007, 05:07 PM
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James 1:14-15 "But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death." (ESV)
Romans 6:16 "Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?" (ESV)
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