Torah is the road upon which a believer walks with Yeshua. If a believer walks without Yeshua then it is works and has more to do with making sure you do not step on the cracks in the road...thus missing the point of the journey. If a believer walks in the spirit, not watching the road, then what spirit is the believer following and if it is off the road, where is the spirit leading? A question that any good believer would ask.
__________________ Since the Torah is a finite book expressing the will of an infinite God, many lessons must be derivable from each passage from all the infinite angles.
Thanks for that, it is the best explanation I've ever heard, and really blessed me. Will try to remember this for future reference. It just back up everything God has been speaking to me about over the last few weeks about repentance and not being under condemnation
Torah is the road upon which a believer walks with Yeshua. If a believer walks without Yeshua then it is works and has more to do with making sure you do not step on the cracks in the road...thus missing the point of the journey. If a believer walks in the spirit, not watching the road, then what spirit is the believer following and if it is off the road, where is the spirit leading? A question that any good believer would ask.
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This has NOTHING to do with my OP. Please refrain from tangents. Furthermore, it's a repugnant introduction (if I may be so blunt). This is a disdainful statement to those Jews who are Torah observant, because that is what G-d has requested of them.
__________________ Judaism rests on three things: teshuva, tefillah and tzeddekah.
Teshuva is turning (or returning) to G-d. Tefillah is communing with G-d (much more than just prayer) and tzeddekah is doing good to others.
Thanks for that, it is the best explanation I've ever heard, and really blessed me. Will try to remember this for future reference. It just back up everything God has been speaking to me about over the last few weeks about repentance and not being under condemnation
Thanks again.
Catrin xx
Keep in mind that it's blatantly wrong from a Judaic POV.
__________________ Judaism rests on three things: teshuva, tefillah and tzeddekah.
Teshuva is turning (or returning) to G-d. Tefillah is communing with G-d (much more than just prayer) and tzeddekah is doing good to others.
I didn't see the other posts.......the ones that said a Jew should keep Torah perfectly from cradle to grave.
I've been taught that there is a chasm, a huge gap between all humanity and God, because he is holy and we sin, and that we cannot bridge that gap through our own efforts.
One person may be wicked, another more righteous, but neither one can jump "long" enough to get over the gap, though the righteous-living person's jump may be a little longer--he still doesn't make it all the way. So it is God's forgiveness that is needed to close the gap.
That's how it was recently taught to me, anyway.
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No way is hard where there is a simple heart; nor is there any wound
where the thoughts are upright.
And if that's not clear enough, I'll be more specific: that was a sarcastic response.
How in the world you infer that from my OP is beyond me.
Are you always THAT aggressive?
My point is that there is a difference between what He expects from us from a moral/religious point of view, and what He knows will happen in practical terms.
Frankly, was your thread meant only to create a comotion? I fail to see any other objective. Yes, because NO RELIGION I know has ever taught that G-d, or the Supreme Being or whatcha-ma-call-him, would actually think we stand a chance of being perfect in our ways. Judaism doesn't teach that (obviously), but Christianity doesn't teach that either. Heck, not even Islam in all its radicalism teaches that.
This thread is about one single word: PERFECTLY.
The statement had been made by a poster on this site that the only person throughout history who observed the Torah perfectly was Jesus. And this somehow makes him the super-sacrifice for all mankind. This poster is dead wrong on so many accounts it's ridiculous
Are you always this disrespectful towards other religions in their own cyber-space? It saddens me to see people ridiculing other people's beliefs. This is why the human race is so far from evolving spiritually.
Christianity, as far as I know (and Christians: please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), teaches the concept that a fully-righteous man died for those who sin. The very foundation of such belief comes from the Jewish sacrificial atonement system combined with the belief that a tzaddik can die for his generation. One could argue whether Hashem would want someone to die for the sins of others, or if this is the kind of atonement He would have in his plans for His people. But that's a different thing. That's why we have different creeds. That's why Christianity believes in Jesus and Judaism doesn't.
, but the main point is: The Jews aren't called to be perfect. G-d knows that perfect observance from cradle to grave is not going to happen. Hence, the establishment of forgiveness and so forth.
Wrong. We are called to be perfect. Heck, the Torah even has some scary threats in line if we choose to sin. But Hashem knows that we won't be able to achieve perfection in this life. Maybe in the Messianic Age? But that doesn't mean perfection isn't the Jewish goal. In fact, some (like the chassidics) want to go even beyond that. But I don't think Christianity is different there, is it?
Have you observed any of us lately? 
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