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Baptist Minister: Missing Church Is A Grave Sin?

My Wife’s Baptist Minister preached a sermon that if do not attend church whenever the assembly gathers you are committing mortal sin against God. That the founders’ decided when this church would be open for worship and these are the days that you should attend.

Here is the scriptural support he based his sermon on, do these verses support his claim?
Or are there other scriptures that support this better?


Hebrews 10: 24-27
24 We must consider how to rouse one another to love and good works.
25 We should not stay away from our assembly, as is the custom of some, but encourage one another and this all the more as you see the day drawing near.
26 If we sin deliberately after receiving knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins
27 but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries
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Originally Posted by Hap View Post
My Wife’s Baptist Minister preached a sermon that if do not attend church whenever the assembly gathers you are committing mortal sin against God. That the founders’ decided when this church would be open for worship and these are the days that you should attend.

Here is the scriptural support he based his sermon on, do these verses support his claim?
Or are there other scriptures that support this better?


Hebrews 10: 24-27
24 We must consider how to rouse one another to love and good works.
25 We should not stay away from our assembly, as is the custom of some, but encourage one another and this all the more as you see the day drawing near.
26 If we sin deliberately after receiving knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins
27 but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries
Well people have always tried to put rules on other people and use the scripture to do so.. We are not to forsake the assembling ourselves together. Now no where is it stated that we must all go the assembly every week at this hour or not or this is sin.
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Well people have always tried to put rules on other people and use the scripture to do so.. We are not to forsake the assembling ourselves together. Now no where is it stated that we must all go the assembly every week at this hour or not or this is sin.
What would you say if a person decides not to go to church on Sunday because he or she wants to go fishing or shopping, would it be a sin then if you gave into self love instead of spending time with your assembly worshipping God.
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I wouldn't say that it is a sin. In fact, other than beong told to not foresake the assembly the NT is pretty silent on the how's and when's etc of how we are to do that. We have a great deal of freedom and that includes being able to "have church" whenever and wherever. Remember the NT church was meeting in peoples homes, they got together a lot more than us for teaching, worhsip, and the breaking of bread together. It was far less formal (read religious) and far more family/relationship in nature...both with Him and with other believers.



We regulalrly camp ands hunt etc on weekends. We "have church" wherever we are because we are the church. It is usually a great time of fellowship and is also an opportunity for outreach.


Of course, this seems to be another area where we differ from our RCC and O brothers and sisters, as we take to heart that we are all priests (royal priesthood) and I can baptise whoever and administer communion and we don't see the need (or biblical basis) for the priesthood that ya'll do, altho we do have local leaders.
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Originally Posted by Hap View Post
My Wife’s Baptist Minister preached a sermon that if do not attend church whenever the assembly gathers you are committing mortal sin against God. That the founders’ decided when this church would be open for worship and these are the days that you should attend.

Here is the scriptural support he based his sermon on, do these verses support his claim?
Or are there other scriptures that support this better?


Hebrews 10: 24-27
24 We must consider how to rouse one another to love and good works.
25 We should not stay away from our assembly, as is the custom of some, but encourage one another and this all the more as you see the day drawing near.
26 If we sin deliberately after receiving knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins
27 but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries
It's basically the stereotypical Baptist hell fire and brimstone preaching. I wouldn't take it too seriously. You can twist scripture to support just about anything. That's why I read my Bible and form my own opinions on what I read. And the universal truth is that we aren't worthy of God, but through his grace, he sent his son to die for our sins so that one day we may join him in his perfect kingdom of heaven. I think every Christian can agree on this and we need to learn to put our differences aside.
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What would you say if a person decides not to go to church on Sunday because he or she wants to go fishing or shopping, would it be a sin then if you gave into self love instead of spending time with your assembly worshipping God.
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Now why would that be a sin? You can be praising God while fishing.. You can be praying as you shop. Now we are instructed not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together.. Now to forsake it means that you never assemble with other believers..
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Now why would that be a sin? You can be praising God while fishing.. You can be praying as you shop. Now we are instructed not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together.. Now to forsake it means that you never assemble with other believers..
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I wouldn't say that it is a sin. In fact, other than beong told to not foresake the assembly the NT is pretty silent on the how's and when's etc of how we are to do that. We have a great deal of freedom and that includes being able to "have church" whenever and wherever. Remember the NT church was meeting in peoples homes, they got together a lot more than us for teaching, worhsip, and the breaking of bread together. It was far less formal (read religious) and far more family/relationship in nature...both with Him and with other believers.
I didn't think Hebrews stated that we should be at the Church whenever the doors are open, but do feel that if I sleep in on Sunday or stay home to watch the game I am sinning against God who has Blessed this sinner each an everyday. I guess it's a Catholic guilt thing.


Originally Posted by mont974x4 View Post
We regulalrly camp ands hunt etc on weekends. We "have church" wherever we are because we are the church. It is usually a great time of fellowship and is also an opportunity for outreach.
As do I, my family will do the same thing. Where ever two or more are present Jesus is present.

Originally Posted by mont974x4 View Post
Of course, this seems to be another area where we differ from our RCC and O brothers and sisters, as we take to heart that we are all priests (royal priesthood) and I can baptise whoever and administer communion and we don't see the need (or biblical basis) for the priesthood that ya'll do, altho we do have local leaders.
Your right there is a difference on how RCC views the priesthood. We to believe that we are all priest and can administer communion. We just believe that there are hierarchal levels of the priesthood on up to our High Priest in Heaven Jesus Christ.
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Hap, you are of course free to worship as you wish and I think you may be right it is a Catholic thing (re: the guilt) but it's also a legalist thing, and that is not limited ot just the RC denomination.


This isn't the thread for the priest discussion, LOL and I'm sure you are aware of my opinion on the matter anyways.



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