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29th July 2007, 12:04 PM
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Reps: 3,389,051,619,810 (power: 3,389,051,635) | | Originally Posted by JGG  Honestly, my first post on here was on a thread entitled (generally) "why are atheists so stupid?"
Let's be frank, there are plenty of Christians on here who despise atheists, many who don't trust atheists, many who believe we are automatically immoral, and most who (in absolute reality) are dealing with the cognitive disonance of being taught that they are superior to me, but know they can't actually say so.
I am no less moral for not believing in your God, I am no less honest, and I don't love my family less. But I also know that most people in my real life would turn on my in an instant if they knew I was an atheist. In fact, outside of this board, there is only a single Christian who knows I'm atheist. So, I fight my battle for understanding on here, one little bit at a time.
For the most part, that's why we're here.
dude, believe me, I understand, I had an atheist roomate, hos girlfriend was buhddist, and a pagan.....guess what, we got along and shared a big house for many years.
I am truly sorry if my words made you feel that you are not a good or moral person, that's not the case.
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29th July 2007, 12:05 PM
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Reps: 6,626 (power: 21) | | Originally Posted by Faith In God *points*
Yes, you've made it quite clear that you think certain groups of members should be treated differently. That would be the position I'm asking you to defend.
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29th July 2007, 12:07 PM
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Reps: 91,460,099,819 (power: 91,460,123) | | Originally Posted by Purifying FLAME CF is a place where ministry can take place, but it is not a ministry. AND lets not forget that the KEY to ministry is evangelization.
Then we should change the name. Christianforums reinforces the idea that this site is, itself, a ministry. It should be religionforums or something to that effect. |
29th July 2007, 12:12 PM
| | | Originally Posted by Tropical Wilds So, can somebody answer me... With option two winning, does that mean non-Christians will be booted entirely from the site?
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29th July 2007, 12:17 PM
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Reps: 96,483,658,764,676,464 (power: 96,483,658,764,689) | | Originally Posted by Epiphanygirl dude, believe me, I understand, I had an atheist roomate, hos girlfriend was buhddist, and a pagan.....guess what, we got along and shared a big house for many years.
I am truly sorry if my words made you feel that you are not a good or moral person, that's not the case.
Well, obviously I know I'm a good and moral person, and obviously, there is nothing you can do or say that would make me feel as though I'm not.
What I'm saying is that the base assumption among many of the people on this board, and in actual day-to-day life, is that I'm not, simply because I don't believe in your God.
And remember, most people in real life talk to me with the assumption that I'm Christian. |
29th July 2007, 12:19 PM
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Reps: 129,479,460 (power: 129,490) | | Originally Posted by RaggedRobin OK technically the Catholic Church has many secular governances set up in order to be able to keep it financially accountable .... Does that mean that the Church itself is then Secular because it uses outside sources to administrate it's monies and so forth....
Uh . . . so CF should have secular governance structures in order to pursue it's ministry?
As so your question, the Catholic Church isn't a corporation that runs a church. It's a Church that uses secular resources to administrate money. If it were the other way around, then I would indeed call it secular because the primary function would be the secular organization.
CF is run by the Loh Enterprises Pty Ltd. to make money. Originally Posted by intricatic That's not what Erwin has been saying since the beginning.
I've never seen him claim that CF is not in existence to make him money.
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Reason: fixed corporation name
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29th July 2007, 12:22 PM
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Reps: 118,588,819,268,106,832 (power: 118,588,819,268,120) | | | Forums that prior change regularly had over a page of threads with current new posts today have 4-5 current posts. IMO that would be because many of those threads turned into debates generally about the existence of God rather than whatever the OP intended.
Am not sure why an atheist or even agnostic would feel compelled to join a discussion about the nature of God for example and attempt to turn that into debate of His existence. That is exactly what we see happening daily in sections where Christens attempt to ask other Christens questions.
To me it becomes pointless and meaningless to post or ask questions if a group of people are allowed to turn almost every conversation to a few limited topics. At any party or social gather, such people would eventually find themselves alone unless everyone there was in full agreement with them. That is never been the case here.
Since there is no way to prevent people from being rude in a forums like these without having rules (and the changes demonstrate a lack of personal restraint) the need for rules to restrict access simply to allow discussion seems necessary. |
29th July 2007, 12:23 PM
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Reps: 831,194,221,290,576,640 (power: 831,194,221,290,603) | | | I could not vote for option #1. This is not the only reason but the most important line is:
secondary vision being to allow Christians to outreach to non-Christians
That should never be second place. It is the Great Commission and should not be placed second to anything.
Now if #1 wins and we change the name. Then we are being more honest, given the recent direction.
But many are here becuse it is Christian forums. And if #1 wins then an announcment should be made that bringing Christ to others is the secondary goal of this site and that the direct Great Commission from the Lord must be subject to our concerns and desires.
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29th July 2007, 12:27 PM
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Reps: 1 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Tropical Wilds So, can somebody answer me... With option two winning, does that mean non-Christians will be booted entirely from the site?
winning? Yesterday it was a 75/25 split - now it's 60/40. Option 2 is losing ground not running away with a win. ALSO - how many socks have voted? I can see at least 2 who have voted for option 2. |
29th July 2007, 12:29 PM
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Reps: 91,460,099,819 (power: 91,460,123) | | Originally Posted by Purifying FLAME winning? Yesterday it was a 75/25 split - now it's 60/40. Option 2 is losing ground not running away with a win. ALSO - how many socks have voted? I can see at least 2 who have voted for option 2.
I've seen a good number voting option 1, as well.
But the ratio has stayed pretty much even with a very small crawl on the side of option one. It's been roughly 65/35 as an average since it started. | | |
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