Are you quite certain that you want to tie yourself to that flame, MeekOne?
1 Thessalonians 5:19-20 (New International Version) "Do not put out the Spirit's fire; do not treat prophecies with contempt."
As you can read... The Holy Spirit will use certain believers in ways that another can misconstrue as being a flame. And wish to extinguish the flame which is good.
The Truth will be that way at times. God is not working through men to please your sensibilities when the Truth will cut as it should. That is why moderators can easily abuse their authority and , in truth, condemn the actions of The Spirit, calling it un-Christianlike, because their sensibilities were offended.
I can not even see how being straight forward and to the point, is flaming. Its anti-PC. Yes. But, not flaming when its truth.
Committees vote out the Holy Spirit so their preferences which are dictated by their personal preferences can be raised up in self satisfaction.
2 Timothy 4:3 (New International Version) "For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear."
Ever read saint Stephen's words before his accusers? That was the Holy Spirit flaming them with Truth. Did Stephen have a choice in the matter? Yes.... But he chose God.
Galatians 1:10 (New International Version)
"Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ."
This is supposed to be a Christian forum. All kinds of Christians come here. Some are Spirit filled. Others - - are filled with themselves. .
That's the real conflict here.
In Christ, GeneZ
God has two dwellings: one in heaven, and the other in a meek and thankful heart. Izaak Walton (1593-1683)
You might wish to stop here for a moment and attempt to let pure honesty over-ride your unfounded certainty. Reality dictates that it may well be you how are confused as to who Jesus was or was not. The facts are most certainly not the way most Christians are groomed to see them.
There is no basis for that in reality at all. Anyone can start a forum, claim it's Christian, and pursue any code of conduct they choose. This forum serves as an undeniable example that a forum can claim to be Christian and yet, show very little Christianity in the way it operates.
You're making the very common mistake of confusing "Christian Forum" with "Christian's Forum". A forum can adhere to Christian values and codes of conduct and yet not have a single Christian in any kind of controlling role and still be a Christian forum. The problem here is that people are conflating conduct and values with ownership. Most of the Christians here are appealing to the name of the site as though it were "Christian's forum" -- a name showing ownership. And indeed, that's what this forum has been; a forum owned and operated by people who claim themselves to be Christian, yet steer vehemently away from Christian values and codes of conduct when they are asked to show their Christian side.
Perhaps you've not been to a lot of online forums but this one just happens to have what is arguably the worst reputation of any forum on the entire Internet. Other forums actually have special sections dedicated to the discussion of the militant and un-Christian methods and manners by which this forum is run. Some Christians seem to believe that God is in power. The vast majority here demonstrate all too clearly that they don't believe God has any power, or at the very least, that God would have no concern about a forum such as this. Otherwise, they wouldn't see it as so vital that they place themselves in roles of power over the forum and fight so hard to keep other good and well-mannered people out, just because they don't identify themselves as Christians.
So while this claims to be a community, it is clear in your remark here that you see only the Christians and their reason for being here as being of any importance. That once again shows that this is neither a Christian site or a community. It's just a bunch of people who like to talk and posture as Christians but who think that actual demonstration of Christian values is purely absurd.
You still don't seem to understand. By "standing up" for this forum by locking others out, you're standing against everything a true Christian forum would hold as the most important of values. It's a bit like a food bank which refuses to give food to people for fear it will run out and then won't be a food bank anymore.
You can't be passionate about having a Christian forum if you insist on avoiding Christian values. When you say that nonChristians can't have positions above the general membership, you're saying you're better than they are. Did Jesus run around saying he was better than everyone else; or did he mingle shoulder-to-shoulder, even with those he felt were the worst examples of humanity? Again, you talk the talk, but walking the walk is something you'll not even consider.
And therein lies your problem. You say you're trying to reach people "like me", then you tell me I'm not worthy to be a "real" member of this site. You're proclaiming that I'm inferior to you and that unless I adhere to your principles, (the same one's you're avoiding in your fight to keep the doors of acceptance closed to all nonChristians), that I can never be anything but inferior to you. You'll never convince anyone that you have a better system while you continue to demonstrate that your system causes you to believe that you're superior to everyone else. You are your own undoing.
You don't seem to understand the concepts of sharing and equality. If I tear the crust of my sandwich and hand it to you, am I really sharing or am I just discarding what I consider unworthy of my superiority? That's all you're really doing. You have special places where you lock nonChristians away, to keep us out of your hair in other areas, and so that you can proclaim to be sharing. That's not terribly different than inviting foster children in to share your home, then marching them down to the basement, locking the door behind them, refusing to mingle with them or allow them any say about anything in your household and then patting yourself on the back for being such a kind, sharing Christian.
I've been here for over 3-year and I assure you, I am seeing it for what it is. NonChristians are always under the thumb of some militant fundamentalist Christian here. We have no voice and no way to speak out against the abuses we suffer. We're shoved off to the corner, allowed to speak only if our words are approved of by some self-appointed politician with a cross on a chain, and then told that we should be thankful.
You're making a mockery of the church, Jesus and the name of Christianity.
That's a load of bunk, pal. And just because I said it like that doesn't mean I'm any less a Christian. No one is going to change your mind but you obviously. You have your mind set on coming into a Christian forum and creating havoc, chaos, and try to dehumanize any Christian that stands up to you. I have already tried to explain it nicely, but you know you are determined to try to upset people like myself. I'm not falling into your web of deceit, I explained my opinion very clearly. I cannot see CF being run by non-believers. If this is to actually happen, and if Erwin were actually to let it happen, it does deserve to be named something else and then Christians can go to real Christian sites again, I would be just be another one of them.
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Why would a 'true Christian' want to vote anything but option 1 - to outreach?
For a 'true Christian' option 2 is an oxymoron.
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