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View Poll Results: This poll is made to view whether or not a list of approved posters is welcomed here | |
Only Messianics are allowed to debate.
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Only Messianics and Jews are allowed to debate.
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Messianics, Jews and a list of approved Christians.
|    | 7 | 33.33% | |
Only Messianics and a list of approved Christians can debate.
|    | 2 | 9.52% | |
Messianics, and a list of approved Jews and Christians.
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Messianics, and a vote for each Jew and Christian to add to the list of who can debate.
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Messianics, Jews and a list of approved Christians.
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Messianics, Christians and a list of approved Jews.
| | 3 | 14.29% | |
None of the above
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Other, please explain in a post.
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26th July 2007, 08:03 PM
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Reps: 686,740,314,295,649,152 (power: 686,740,314,295,668) | | Originally Posted by stone  ok, its really simple then, if they don't observe, then in that area they don't qualify and are not added to the list. Originally Posted by insaneinthebrain Shameful  and sad. I have quoted the definition of MJ from the MJAA site here before and will post it again: "Messianic Judaism is a Biblically-based movement of people who, as committed Jews, believe in Yeshua (Jesus) as the Jewish Messiah of Israel of whom the Jewish Law and Prophets spoke." There is nothing in that definition or in any other definition of MJ that I looked up that lists keeping kosher, the sabbath and the feasts as a requirement. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_Judaism This site shows that Messianic Judaism encompasses a variety of practices: http://www.allaboutreligion.org/beli...udaism-faq.htm Most Messianic Jews belong to Messianic Jewish congregations or synagogues. More than ninety percent are charismatic and believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as speaking in tongues. Their leader is called a Rabbi. A typical congregation will be composed of Christians who are not Jewish, Messianic Jews who do not practice Jewish customs, and Messianic Jews who follow strict orthodox practices such as kosher methods of food preparation and eating.
Most observe the Shabbat (Sabbath), starting at sundown Friday. All Jewish holidays are observed. These include Passover, Succoth, and Shavuot. Only a few celebrate Yom Yeshua on December 25. The Hebrew Scriptures are referred to as the Tanach (Old Covenant Scriptures). The Christian scriptures are called the B'rit Chadasha (New Covenant Scriptures).
Some Messianic Jews believe that the second coming of Jesus will only come when a sufficient number of Jews accept Yeshua as their Messiah and Savior. Others believe that Jesus could come at any time.
I don't know what Stone's definition of MJ is or where it comes from, and although some others on this site apparantly share his definition of it being only people who keep kosher, observe the sabbath and observe the feasts, that is NOT exclusively what MJ is.
Is that what it will be at this forum?
If so, that is sad.
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26th July 2007, 08:03 PM
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Reps: 828,821,387,425,343 (power: 828,821,387,440) | | Originally Posted by ChavaK
It seems sad to have to even have a list.
Cannot posting just be open, and if someone
is behaving in a less than polite way,
the mods can remove the posts and PM
the poster?
Why not try leaving it open to begin with,
but police it carefully?
You're right, it is sad. I was optimistic about the new openness that Erwin had announced. But other than the removal of the [open] tags, it appears that everything will be the same as it was before.
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26th July 2007, 08:05 PM
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Reps: 686,740,314,295,649,152 (power: 686,740,314,295,668) | | Originally Posted by Talmidah You're right, it is sad. I was optimistic about the new openness that Erwin had announced. But other than the removal of the [open] tags, it appears that everything will be the same as it was before. I guess it will be if people vote it that way.
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26th July 2007, 08:38 PM
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Reps: 46,492,548,027,511,088 (power: 46,492,548,027,522) | | | Anyone else notice that most of the people posting in this thread are ones that can't vote in the poll.
I'm sorry you are so sad, but really what does the MJAA have to do with this forum? Absolutley nothing.
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26th July 2007, 08:42 PM
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Reps: 686,740,314,295,649,152 (power: 686,740,314,295,668) | | Originally Posted by Wags Anyone else notice that most of the people posting in this thread are ones that can't vote in the poll.
I'm sorry you are so sad, but really what does the MJAA have to do with this forum? Absolutley nothing. Well, where is there a definition of what Messianic Judaism is? I thought that was an acceptable source. If you have a better more acceptable source and definition of what MJ is, please share it. I did a search on Messianic Jew and Messianic Judaism and posted what I found. And as far as the people posting being those who can't vote, I thought the changes on the whole forum were to change things like that.
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26th July 2007, 08:54 PM
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Reps: 46,492,548,027,511,088 (power: 46,492,548,027,522) | | | What is the point of having a sub-forum if anyone can saunter in and post whatever they like? That is what General theology is for.
It is a little tougher in a messianic forum to come up with a memeber definition, since it is a movement and not a denomination with descriptions in place.
The guidelines that Tishri and Zayit mentioned in the other thread are broader then I would personally choose, but I think they are fair enough.
The problem with letting any and everyone in to debate is people come here and attack beliefs - like the 7th day Sabbath, or Israel's right to exisit for example. If we wanted to debate those sorts of things there are plenty of threads in GT and other places to do that. By allowing the debate here - it takes away a safe place for like minded believers to come and discuss the finer points of our beliefs without getting hit over the head all the time.
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26th July 2007, 09:02 PM
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Reps: 46,492,548,027,511,088 (power: 46,492,548,027,522) | | Originally Posted by MezzaMorta That is not a religious belief how ever.
Scripture tells me that God gave the land to Israel. So yes, it is a religious belief.
Addtionally, many of us have friends and family that live in Israel and some of us hope to one day be allowed to make aliyah to our homeland. When you say Isarel does not have the right to exist, you are saying we do not have a right to exist.
No matter how you look at it, it is a hot button topic and shouldn't be allowed in this sub-forum. I don't dis Lebanese, or Catholics - you should show the same respect for us.
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26th July 2007, 09:04 PM
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Reps: 828,821,387,425,343 (power: 828,821,387,440) | | Originally Posted by Wags What is the point of having a sub-forum if anyone can saunter in and post whatever they like? That is what General theology is for.
It is a little tougher in a messianic forum to come up with a memeber definition, since it is a movement and not a denomination with descriptions in place.
The guidelines that Tishri and Zayit mentioned in the other thread are broader then I would personally choose, but I think they are fair enough.
The problem with letting any and everyone in to debate is people come here and attack beliefs - like the 7th day Sabbath, or Israel's right to exisit for example. If we wanted to debate those sorts of things there are plenty of threads in GT and other places to do that. By allowing the debate here - it takes away a safe place for like minded believers to come and discuss the finer points of our beliefs without getting hit over the head all the time.
Yet there would still be FSRs in place to prevent attacking of beliefs such as the 7th day Sabbath and Israel's right to exist. I've been here for 2 1/2 years and was a frequent poster. My intention was never to attack you or bash anyone over the head. It was simply to engage in discussion, to learn where others are coming from and to convey where I'm coming from. In the end, it is of course up to you all and you are free to choose whom you allow in.
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26th July 2007, 09:07 PM
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26th July 2007, 09:08 PM
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Reps: 686,740,314,295,649,152 (power: 686,740,314,295,668) | | Originally Posted by Wags What is the point of having a sub-forum if anyone can saunter in and post whatever they like? That is what General theology is for.
It is a little tougher in a messianic forum to come up with a memeber definition, since it is a movement and not a denomination with descriptions in place.
The guidelines that Tishri and Zayit mentioned in the other thread are broader then I would personally choose, but I think they are fair enough.
The problem with letting any and everyone in to debate is people come here and attack beliefs - like the 7th day Sabbath, or Israel's right to exisit for example. If we wanted to debate those sorts of things there are plenty of threads in GT and other places to do that. By allowing the debate here - it takes away a safe place for like minded believers to come and discuss the finer points of our beliefs without getting hit over the head all the time. I understand wanting a forum area where your beliefs will not be attacked. I don't think that people should attack one another's beliefs anywhere on the forum, but I do think that it should be ok to ask questions about them. However, the guidelines listed - those of keeping kosher, sabbath observance and the feasts are not really in line with what Messianic Judaism is. The part I quoted is from this site: http://www.allaboutreligion.org/messianic-jew.htm and it does show that many Messianic congregations include Jews and non-Jews and people with a variety of observances of the things listed above. I don't think they should be attacked, but I do not think that they should be used as a definition of MJ because that is not what MJ is. I stated in another thread a rule that I would like to see: "Here in the MJ forum we support the Jews and we support Israel and any posts that do not support the Jews and Israel will not be allowed in this forum."
I imagine that there are other rules that should be in place, but I do not think the definition of MJ should be that of only people who keep the sabbath, kosher and feasts.
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