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" The result, therefore, of this physical enquiry is that we find no vestige of a beginning, no prospect of an end" James Hutton, from his 1788 paper to the Royal Society of Edinburgh on the principles of geology
You hold in your hand a rock known as, let's call it, Dalite.
This Dalite emits one particle called a Dalon every year on January 1.
Analysis shows that the Dalite you're holding has 10 particles of Dalon embedded in it.
CHAPTER TWO
Absolutely without fail, observation shows that every time Dalite is formed (keyword: formed), it always forms with 100,000 Dalons embedded --- irregardless of the size of the rock.
CHAPTER THREE
Chris T. Ian claims that, according to The Book, this universe has only been in existence for 100 years, and the following converstion ensues:
YOU: Not so --- I have a Dalite rock with only 10 Dalons left. This is evidence that this rock is 999,990 years old.
CHRIS: Not so --- when God created (keyword: created) Dalite, He must have created it with only 110 Dalons (embedded age); but when it forms, it forms with a process that embeds 100,000 Dalons into it.
QUESTION
Would you be willing to admit that your evidence is inconclusive?
Such a proposition is meaningless because there's no way to evaluate such a claim and ANYTHING can be claimed using this logic. BTW created with age=decietful God.
you mean if the creator creates something that appears arbitrarily old in nature? yeah sure, God created everything last thursday and just made it look like it's all billions of years old.
Originally Posted by AV1611VET
No --- the created Dalite doesn't just look like it only has 100 Dalons --- it actually does only have 100 Dalons.
Originally Posted by Jet Black
I didn't say it looks like it only had 100 Dalons, I said it looked like it is older than it is.
do me the favour of actually reading what I write.
I know what you said; and you coupled it with a dig about Last Thursdayism.
There is nothing in my hypothetical about deceiving anyone.
Such a proposition is meaningless because there's no way to evaluate such a claim and ANYTHING can be claimed using this logic. BTW created with age=decietful God.
unless it's necessary for function. For example you'd have to create a human at least on the way to adulthood, as creating a baby and leaving it to fend for itself in the wild would generate one dead baby shortly afterwards, unless perhaps a friendly lioness or something came along and gave it some milk.
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What I don't get is that, on one hand, fundamentalists say God is constant and unchanging. Yet to rationalize the contradictions that arise in interpreting the Bible as 100% literal truth, they have to assume that this constant, unchanging God also acts capriciously -- making the Earth look older than it actually is, or arbitrarily condemning things like homosexuality. No wonder people thought up the concept of the Demiurge.
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Actually, I created the Dalite. Usually when I create it I put exactly 100,000 Dalons embedded inside it.
Prove me wrong.
I am the sole Creator of Dalite. You therefore owe me 1 trillion Delurions in damages!
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unless it's necessary for function. For example you'd have to create a human at least on the way to adulthood, as creating a baby and leaving it to fend for itself in the wild would generate one dead baby shortly afterwards, unless perhaps a friendly lioness or something came along and gave it some milk.
Or a friendly snake.
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