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26th July 2007, 11:32 AM
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Reps: 442,931,412,538 (power: 442,931,422) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET  You can --- but I'll shoot it down.
Really? You never have before.
You are Omphalos and I claim my £5
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Reps: 15,652,961,582 (power: 15,652,969) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET CHAPTER ONE You hold in your hand a rock known as, let's call it, Dalite. This Dalite emits one particle called a Dalon every year on January 1. Analysis shows that the Dalite you're holding has 10 particles of Dalon embedded in it. CHAPTER TWO Absolutely without fail, observation shows that every time Dalite is formed (keyword: formed), it always forms with 100,000 Dalons embedded --- irregardless of the size of the rock. CHAPTER THREE Chris T. Ian claims that, according to The Book, this universe has only been in existence for 100 years, and the following converstion ensues: YOU: Not so --- I have a Dalite rock with only 10 Dalons left. This is evidence that this rock is 999,990 years old. CHRIS: Not so --- when God created (keyword: created) Dalite, He must have created it with only 110 Dalons (embedded age); but when it forms, it forms with a process that embeds 100,000 Dalons into it. QUESTION Would you be willing to admit that your evidence is inconclusive?
Such a proposition is meaningless because there's no way to evaluate such a claim and ANYTHING can be claimed using this logic. BTW created with age=decietful God.  |
26th July 2007, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Jet Black you mean if the creator creates something that appears arbitrarily old in nature? yeah sure, God created everything last thursday and just made it look like it's all billions of years old. Originally Posted by AV1611VET No --- the created Dalite doesn't just look like it only has 100 Dalons --- it actually does only have 100 Dalons. Originally Posted by Jet Black I didn't say it looks like it only had 100 Dalons, I said it looked like it is older than it is.
do me the favour of actually reading what I write.
I know what you said; and you coupled it with a dig about Last Thursdayism.
There is nothing in my hypothetical about deceiving anyone.
It's an honest question.
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There is nothing in my hypothetical about deceiving anyone.
It's an honest question.
and it's an honest answer. Deception would be intentional, are you juggesting that God made everything look billions of years old unintentionally?
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Originally Posted by CACTUSJACKmankin Such a proposition is meaningless because there's no way to evaluate such a claim and ANYTHING can be claimed using this logic.
Is that a vote for: inconclusive? Originally Posted by CACTUSJACKmankin BTW created with age=decietful God.
No it doesn't --- God may have had a very good reason for doing it that way that we haven't discovered yet.
Also, please tell me how that's "deceitful" when He put what He did in writing?
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Reps: 16,712 (power: 43) | | Originally Posted by CACTUSJACKmankin Such a proposition is meaningless because there's no way to evaluate such a claim and ANYTHING can be claimed using this logic. BTW created with age=decietful God.
unless it's necessary for function. For example you'd have to create a human at least on the way to adulthood, as creating a baby and leaving it to fend for itself in the wild would generate one dead baby shortly afterwards, unless perhaps a friendly lioness or something came along and gave it some milk.
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26th July 2007, 11:44 AM
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26th July 2007, 11:45 AM
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Reps: 15,076 (power: 26) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET Is that a vote for: inconclusive?
Still waiting for you to prove I'm wrong.
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My Mood  | | Originally Posted by funyun Actually, I created the Dalite. Usually when I create it I put exactly 100,000 Dalons embedded inside it.
Prove me wrong.
I am the sole Creator of Dalite. You therefore owe me 1 trillion Delurions in damages! |
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Reps: 15,076 (power: 26) | | Originally Posted by Jet Black unless it's necessary for function. For example you'd have to create a human at least on the way to adulthood, as creating a baby and leaving it to fend for itself in the wild would generate one dead baby shortly afterwards, unless perhaps a friendly lioness or something came along and gave it some milk.
Or a friendly snake.
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