Home | Be a Christian | Devotionals | Join Us! | Forums | Rules | F.A.Q.


Go Back   Christian Forums > Congregation > Christian Communities > The Ancient Way - Eastern Orthodox > St. Justin Martyr's Corner: Debate an Orthodox Christian
Register BlogsPrayersJobsArcade Calendar Mark Forums Read

St. Justin Martyr's Corner: Debate an Orthodox Christian A place where members can debate with Orthodox Christians

Closed Thread
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31  
Unread 26th July 2007, 07:26 AM
ma2000's Avatar
Veteran

31 Gender: Male Faith: Eastern-Orthodox Country: Romania Member For 5 Years Watchman
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 8th February 2007
Location: Romania
Posts: 1,975
Blessings: 61,046
My Mood Fine
Reps: 92,673,819,149,901,392 (power: 92,673,819,149,910)
ma2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond repute
ma2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond repute


http://www.ziua.net/display.php?id=1...ata=2006-05-13

Un-burried seven years after his death, the body of archimandrite Ilarion Argatu was found intact.

From Fr Argatu's book "445 spiritual answers":

403. There was a christian woman at Boroaia who came to church, fasted every time, was receiving communion, and was a good christian, although her mother believed in the Old Calendar. One day, she became very sick and couldn't get up out of bed. She then sent someone to tell me to come to give her communion. I hasted to her house and was amazed how aunt Ileana became so sick all of a sudden. When I started saying the prayers for the confession, she told me:
- "Father, please, this time and because it is the last time, I feel I must ask you to mention in your prayers the today saints by the old calendar!"
- Why, aunt Ileana, you have never asked this and never believed in the old calendar, you always thought they are wrong?
- I know, father, but please, this time, use the prayers for confession and Eucharisty for the old calendar. My mother died being upset with me because she had never convinced me to go to the old calendar church; I want to make up with mum at least in the last moments of my life.
No matter how much I insisted and how many arguments I broght to her, that in the last moment of their lives, people can loose their redemption and loose everything good they had in their lives and that that was a temptation from the devil, I couldn't do anything to convince her. So I had to give her the confession and communion the way she had asked. I had insisted that her family should bring her an old calendar priest, if she wanted so, but aunt Ileana didn't want other priest than me.
Soon after I received aunt Ileana's confession, she died. I burried her. I was moved by the woman's stubborness, because all the time I was carefull to convince her not to go to the old calendar church, knowing that her whole family went there, and in the last moments of her life loosing her without any way to save her. I prayed to God to show me where is aunt Ileana's soul!
While I was praying, the wall from east dissapeared and a young man dressed in white appeared.
- Did yoy ask from the Creator to show you where is the soul of aunt Ileana?
- Yes, I replied.
- Come with me and see! He took me in the air and went towards north. In an instant we passed over mountains, valleys, forrests, villages, cities and we descended in a dark place full of thorns, rocks and short and sharp grass. The youg man took some grass in his hand and opened the earth like a door.
- Descend! he ordered.
- I don't see anything, I said, because it was very dark and I couldn't see any stairs.
- Let there be light! the young man ordered. Then there was light an I saw some stairs; I don't know form what material they were made of, but we descended for a long time in the earth until we came in front of a wall, which was made neither out of stone, nor iron, nor cement; I don't know what it was made of. There were many doors. We stopped in fron of a door, at which the young man knocked. The door opened and I entered a room not too big, with dark grey walls. In the middle of the room sat aount Ileana on a chair in a very powerful and heavy light. When she saw me, her face lightened and said:
- You came to get me out of here! I didn'tlisten to you and look what I have to endure! This hot and heavy light; my shoulders hurt because it is so heavy!
The young man signaled me that it is time to leave and said:
- At the end of her life, she lost her place with the Creator. This is what those who separate themselves from the obedience of the Church, those who don't listen to their spiritual father and believe they are more enlightened have to endure! So she lost the place that was prepared for her for living a christian life, for considering that the separation of the church because of the calendar was the fault of those who disobbeyed and kept the old calendar. Did you see how the devil had patience and waited for her until the last moment? Then he have her the thought that she had dissobbeyed her mother to keep the old calendar? Do you see how a man can become lost even in the last moment of his life? There are so many who have been cheated this way! There are so many who say that there is nothing wrong with the old calendar, because it's still an orthodox church. It is orthodox, but it's a church fallen from the Holy Gift and obedience. If they returned to obedience, it would be something different. Because of this their prayers are not listened, although they keep a christian life and respect the canons.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

OFFICIAL MEMBER
OF

The One True Old Posters of the Genuine Ancient Way in Exile From Christian Forums Resistance in Communion with Baklavas Synod in Exile Abroad

Asemănāndu-te obiceiurilor rāvnitorului Ilie şi urmānd Botezătorului pe drepte cărări, Părinte Antonie, te-ai făcut locuitor pustiului şi ai īntărit lumea cu rugăciunile tale. Pentru aceasta, roagă-te lui Hristos Dumnezeu, să māntuiască sufletele noastre.

You imitated the ways of zealous Elijah, and followed the straight path of John the Baptist. You became a desert dweller and strengthened the world by your prayers. Father Anthony, intercede with Christ our God that our souls may be saved.
Become a CF Site Supporter Today and Make These Ads Go Away!

  #32  
Unread 26th July 2007, 07:53 AM
ma2000's Avatar
Veteran

31 Gender: Male Faith: Eastern-Orthodox Country: Romania Member For 5 Years Watchman
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 8th February 2007
Location: Romania
Posts: 1,975
Blessings: 61,046
My Mood Fine
Reps: 92,673,819,149,901,392 (power: 92,673,819,149,910)
ma2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond repute
ma2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond repute
Even if you are right, and the teaching of the new calendar is wrong, you still have to obey the church. Those who originated the false teachings will be punished, not you. Outside the church, you will loose the Holy Gift.

If you truly want to follow the old calendar, then join the Serbian or the Russian Orthodox Church. This way, you will follow the old calendar and you will be in the Orthodox Church. Most Russians are anti-ecumenicists and you won't have to worry about that.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

OFFICIAL MEMBER
OF

The One True Old Posters of the Genuine Ancient Way in Exile From Christian Forums Resistance in Communion with Baklavas Synod in Exile Abroad

Asemănāndu-te obiceiurilor rāvnitorului Ilie şi urmānd Botezătorului pe drepte cărări, Părinte Antonie, te-ai făcut locuitor pustiului şi ai īntărit lumea cu rugăciunile tale. Pentru aceasta, roagă-te lui Hristos Dumnezeu, să māntuiască sufletele noastre.

You imitated the ways of zealous Elijah, and followed the straight path of John the Baptist. You became a desert dweller and strengthened the world by your prayers. Father Anthony, intercede with Christ our God that our souls may be saved.

Last edited by kamikat; 26th July 2007 at 08:09 PM.
  #33  
Unread 26th July 2007, 08:01 AM
ma2000's Avatar
Veteran

31 Gender: Male Faith: Eastern-Orthodox Country: Romania Member For 5 Years Watchman
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 8th February 2007
Location: Romania
Posts: 1,975
Blessings: 61,046
My Mood Fine
Reps: 92,673,819,149,901,392 (power: 92,673,819,149,910)
ma2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond repute
ma2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond repute
The Old Calendar might be right, but the fact that they LEFT the Church makes them wrong.
Throughout its' history, Orthodox Church claimed that it was guided by the Holy Spirit. Even if they take a wrong decission at one time, the Holy Spirit will prove the wrong things. But if you LEAVE the church, then you have NO Holy Spirit. That is what makes them heretical.

The Old Calendarists from Romania LEFT the Church. We are in communion with the monasteries of Mount Athos (a month ago I attended the Divine Liturgy held at my Romanian Orthodox church by Staretz Ephraim of Vatopedion) and all the other Orthodox that keep the old calendar. I am talking about the churches that SEPARATED themselves from The Orthodox Church because of the new calendar.
The Orthodox Church of Basserabia is under the Romanian Orthodox church and they keep the Old Calendar!
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

OFFICIAL MEMBER
OF

The One True Old Posters of the Genuine Ancient Way in Exile From Christian Forums Resistance in Communion with Baklavas Synod in Exile Abroad

Asemănāndu-te obiceiurilor rāvnitorului Ilie şi urmānd Botezătorului pe drepte cărări, Părinte Antonie, te-ai făcut locuitor pustiului şi ai īntărit lumea cu rugăciunile tale. Pentru aceasta, roagă-te lui Hristos Dumnezeu, să māntuiască sufletele noastre.

You imitated the ways of zealous Elijah, and followed the straight path of John the Baptist. You became a desert dweller and strengthened the world by your prayers. Father Anthony, intercede with Christ our God that our souls may be saved.

Last edited by kamikat; 26th July 2007 at 08:10 PM.
  #34  
Unread 26th July 2007, 08:20 AM
ma2000's Avatar
Veteran

31 Gender: Male Faith: Eastern-Orthodox Country: Romania Member For 5 Years Watchman
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 8th February 2007
Location: Romania
Posts: 1,975
Blessings: 61,046
My Mood Fine
Reps: 92,673,819,149,901,392 (power: 92,673,819,149,910)
ma2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond repute
ma2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond repute
I don't know when is the exact moment when you actually leave your church.
Maybe when saying the prayer like the schismatics.

There is also the thing that the lady refused another spiritual father, but dissobeyed hers. Maybe things would have been different if she had confessed to schismatic priest. I don't know.

But I do believe Fr Argatu's story.

Like I said, there is the option of joining an Orthodox church who respects the old calendar. Like the Russian Orthodox Church or the Serbian Orthodox Church.

Btw, the monks on Holy Mount Athos are not in communion with the schismatics from Romania that keep the old calendar, but with the Romanian Orthodox Church.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

OFFICIAL MEMBER
OF

The One True Old Posters of the Genuine Ancient Way in Exile From Christian Forums Resistance in Communion with Baklavas Synod in Exile Abroad

Asemănāndu-te obiceiurilor rāvnitorului Ilie şi urmānd Botezătorului pe drepte cărări, Părinte Antonie, te-ai făcut locuitor pustiului şi ai īntărit lumea cu rugăciunile tale. Pentru aceasta, roagă-te lui Hristos Dumnezeu, să māntuiască sufletele noastre.

You imitated the ways of zealous Elijah, and followed the straight path of John the Baptist. You became a desert dweller and strengthened the world by your prayers. Father Anthony, intercede with Christ our God that our souls may be saved.

Last edited by kamikat; 26th July 2007 at 08:11 PM.
  #35  
Unread 26th July 2007, 08:29 AM
Ioan cel Nou's Avatar
Senior Member

39 Gender: Male Married Faith: Eastern-Orthodox Party: UK-Conservative Country: England Member For 5 Years
 
Join Date: 15th July 2005
Location: Barnsley, UK
Posts: 946
Blessings: 170,033
Reps: 4,727 (power: 14)
Ioan cel Nou is a glorious beacon of light
Ioan cel Nou is a glorious beacon of lightIoan cel Nou is a glorious beacon of lightIoan cel Nou is a glorious beacon of lightIoan cel Nou is a glorious beacon of lightIoan cel Nou is a glorious beacon of lightIoan cel Nou is a glorious beacon of lightIoan cel Nou is a glorious beacon of lightIoan cel Nou is a glorious beacon of lightIoan cel Nou is a glorious beacon of lightIoan cel Nou is a glorious beacon of lightIoan cel Nou is a glorious beacon of light
You actually believe that your wisdom is such that you dare to cast aspersions on the honesty of a father considered one of the greatest confessors of Romania in recent times and one that is, to boot, incorrupt through the grace of God? What hubris for one so young!

Have you not even stopped to consider that it was her adamant refusal to follow the advice of her confessor - her disobedience - that put her out of the Church? The point is that obedience, as Fr. Cleopa said, is important in itself and it is precisely through disobedience that the Old Calendarists have abandoned the Church and gone into schism. To be honest you are sounding more and more Protestant with every post you make in this thread. I implore you, for your own sake, look again at what you are doing. You are genuinely endangering yourself.

James
__________________
Doamne Iisuse Hristoase, Fiul lui Dumnezeu, miluieşte-mă pe mine păcătosul.

Last edited by kamikat; 26th July 2007 at 08:11 PM.
  #36  
Unread 26th July 2007, 08:42 AM
Ioan cel Nou's Avatar
Senior Member

39 Gender: Male Married Faith: Eastern-Orthodox Party: UK-Conservative Country: England Member For 5 Years
 
Join Date: 15th July 2005
Location: Barnsley, UK
Posts: 946
Blessings: 170,033
Reps: 4,727 (power: 14)
Ioan cel Nou is a glorious beacon of light
Ioan cel Nou is a glorious beacon of lightIoan cel Nou is a glorious beacon of lightIoan cel Nou is a glorious beacon of lightIoan cel Nou is a glorious beacon of lightIoan cel Nou is a glorious beacon of lightIoan cel Nou is a glorious beacon of lightIoan cel Nou is a glorious beacon of lightIoan cel Nou is a glorious beacon of lightIoan cel Nou is a glorious beacon of lightIoan cel Nou is a glorious beacon of lightIoan cel Nou is a glorious beacon of light
Honestly, come down off your high horse and get real. You aren't even old enough to properly remember communism. You certainly have no idea what life under the communists was like. Yes the MP made mistakes and compromises, yes there were priests and heirarchs that were communist stooges, but this is no longer the case. Those (like the schismatics who left ROCOR, and yourself apparently) who are unwilling to allow for the repentance of the MP, who still condemn it because of failings in the past, are doing nothing more than rehashing the Donatist heresy that so scandalised the Church after the end of the Roman persecutions.
And by the way, is ROCOR as traditional as the True Orthodox churches?
More so - it is not traditional to foment schism and set up rival synods.

James
__________________
Doamne Iisuse Hristoase, Fiul lui Dumnezeu, miluieşte-mă pe mine păcătosul.

Last edited by kamikat; 26th July 2007 at 08:12 PM.
  #37  
Unread 26th July 2007, 08:50 AM
ma2000's Avatar
Veteran

31 Gender: Male Faith: Eastern-Orthodox Country: Romania Member For 5 Years Watchman
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 8th February 2007
Location: Romania
Posts: 1,975
Blessings: 61,046
My Mood Fine
Reps: 92,673,819,149,901,392 (power: 92,673,819,149,910)
ma2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond repute
ma2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond reputema2000 has a reputation beyond repute
Here's the address of Vatopedion Monastery on Mount Athos. I'm sure you can't say they are anti-traditionalists, are ecumenicists or they keep the new calendar.
Write them a letter and ask for their guidance.

I.M.M. BATOPAIDIOU 63086 Karyes, GREECE
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

OFFICIAL MEMBER
OF

The One True Old Posters of the Genuine Ancient Way in Exile From Christian Forums Resistance in Communion with Baklavas Synod in Exile Abroad

Asemănāndu-te obiceiurilor rāvnitorului Ilie şi urmānd Botezătorului pe drepte cărări, Părinte Antonie, te-ai făcut locuitor pustiului şi ai īntărit lumea cu rugăciunile tale. Pentru aceasta, roagă-te lui Hristos Dumnezeu, să māntuiască sufletele noastre.

You imitated the ways of zealous Elijah, and followed the straight path of John the Baptist. You became a desert dweller and strengthened the world by your prayers. Father Anthony, intercede with Christ our God that our souls may be saved.
  #38  
Unread 26th July 2007, 09:01 AM
kamikat's Avatar
my love is bigger than a cadillac

41 Gender: Female Married Faith: Eastern-Orthodox Party: US-Others Country: United States Member For 5 Years
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 22nd April 2005
Posts: 8,191
Blessings: 223,786
Reps: 25,668 (power: 43)
kamikat is a splendid one to beholdkamikat is a splendid one to beholdkamikat is a splendid one to beholdkamikat is a splendid one to behold
kamikat is a splendid one to beholdkamikat is a splendid one to beholdkamikat is a splendid one to beholdkamikat is a splendid one to beholdkamikat is a splendid one to beholdkamikat is a splendid one to beholdkamikat is a splendid one to beholdkamikat is a splendid one to beholdkamikat is a splendid one to beholdkamikat is a splendid one to beholdkamikat is a splendid one to behold
Originally Posted by MichaelArchangelos View Post
I've thought about joining ROCOR in the past, but since the merger, ROCOR is now the Moscow Patriarchate Abroad. The MP is a communisitc church, which shares the "joys, sorrows, successes and failures" of the communist government.

And by the way, is ROCOR as traditional as the True Orthodox churches?
The MP is not a communistic church. The Russian government is not communist. It's been 20 years since the communist governemt of the USSR fell. Recently, there have been news articles about how Putin is concerned about the lnfluence the Russian church is having over the people. During the communist era, the Church was under prosecution, they did what they had to to survive. Ask any of the little old ladies and they'll tell you that it's different today.

As for ROCOR, they aren't in schism from the rest of the Church, so they are more traditional than any vagante group out there. As for the things that aren't so important, yes, they usually require headcoverings, women on one side of the church, men on the other, they don't permit women to receive during their periods and all kinds of other traditions (with a small t) that you seem to think are signs of an Orthodox church. Keep in mind that traditions of man are not the same as Holy Tradition. The traditions of man may change, but Holy Tradition does not.
__________________
Sometimes you get shown the light
In the strangest places
If you look at it right
  #39  
Unread 26th July 2007, 09:13 AM
DarkNLovely's Avatar
Dark am I, yet lovely.....Song of Songs 1:5

Gender: Female Faith: Seeker Party: US-Others Country: United States Member For 5 Years Steward
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 25th July 2007
Location: Where da party at!
Posts: 2,943
Blessings: 159,196
My Mood Cynical
Reps: 126,131,285 (power: 126,141)
DarkNLovely has a reputation beyond reputeDarkNLovely has a reputation beyond reputeDarkNLovely has a reputation beyond reputeDarkNLovely has a reputation beyond reputeDarkNLovely has a reputation beyond reputeDarkNLovely has a reputation beyond reputeDarkNLovely has a reputation beyond reputeDarkNLovely has a reputation beyond reputeDarkNLovely has a reputation beyond reputeDarkNLovely has a reputation beyond reputeDarkNLovely has a reputation beyond reputeDarkNLovely has a reputation beyond reputeDarkNLovely has a reputation beyond reputeDarkNLovely has a reputation beyond reputeDarkNLovely has a reputation beyond repute
DarkNLovely has a reputation beyond reputeDarkNLovely has a reputation beyond reputeDarkNLovely has a reputation beyond reputeDarkNLovely has a reputation beyond reputeDarkNLovely has a reputation beyond reputeDarkNLovely has a reputation beyond reputeDarkNLovely has a reputation beyond reputeDarkNLovely has a reputation beyond reputeDarkNLovely has a reputation beyond reputeDarkNLovely has a reputation beyond reputeDarkNLovely has a reputation beyond reputeDarkNLovely has a reputation beyond reputeDarkNLovely has a reputation beyond reputeDarkNLovely has a reputation beyond reputeDarkNLovely has a reputation beyond repute
What exactly does ecumenical mean in terms of the Orthodox Church?
  #40  
Unread 26th July 2007, 09:26 AM
kamikat's Avatar
my love is bigger than a cadillac

41 Gender: Female Married Faith: Eastern-Orthodox Party: US-Others Country: United States Member For 5 Years
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 22nd April 2005
Posts: 8,191
Blessings: 223,786
Reps: 25,668 (power: 43)
kamikat is a splendid one to beholdkamikat is a splendid one to beholdkamikat is a splendid one to beholdkamikat is a splendid one to behold
kamikat is a splendid one to beholdkamikat is a splendid one to beholdkamikat is a splendid one to beholdkamikat is a splendid one to beholdkamikat is a splendid one to beholdkamikat is a splendid one to beholdkamikat is a splendid one to beholdkamikat is a splendid one to beholdkamikat is a splendid one to beholdkamikat is a splendid one to beholdkamikat is a splendid one to behold
It's used in two different ways. When we talk about an Ecumenical Council, that means a meeting of all the Orthodox Bishops and it's rulings affect the whole Church. The other meaning is the ecumenical movement, such as the World Council of Churches or other interfaith groups or activities. The reason this type of ecumenism is considered a bad thing is because most of these groups insist that everyone recognize all the other participants' beliefs to be equal. Of course, we believe that the Orthodox Church is the One Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, so we don't believe that other faiths are true. Many times, people mistake events for being ecumenical, when they really aren't. For example, last year, the Pope visited the Patriarch of Constantinople. Many people assumed that the Patriarch and the Pope con-celebrated the Divine Liturgy. I recorded the the Divine Liturgy and watched it. The Pope did not celebrate the Liturgy, did not receive communion, acted like a visitor.
__________________
Sometimes you get shown the light
In the strangest places
If you look at it right
Closed Thread


Return to St. Justin Martyr's Corner: Debate an Orthodox Christian

Thread Tools
Display Modes


 
Become a CF Site Supporter Today and Make These Ads Go Away!


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:17 PM.