Do you believe the Bible is the infallible word of God?

The Bible is the inspired inerrant word of God.
It was translated into English as well as could be done, but that allows for errors to creep into our English understanding.
Some words have opposite meanings today, as compared to when the translation was made.
Newer translations often follow older translations.
Then, some words are translated to accomodate 'western' style, rather than Hebrew literal.

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The Bible is a book of history, and history is fact. Whether it is accepted or not.

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"... Thy God whom thou servest continually, he will deliver thee.

[For] My God hath sent his angel, and hath shut the lions' mouths, that they have not hurt me: forasmuch as before him innocency was found in me; and also before thee, O king, have I done no hurt" Daniel 6:16,22

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Yes, the Bible is absolutely correct. Its the most true book in the world. Why? Because the evidence speaks for itself just like the law of gravity.

I'm a christian spiritually first and intellectually second. Also, read Evidence Demands A Verdict by Josh McDowell (it would stand up in a court of law) and Examine the Evidence by Muncaster (a former athiest).

And go to www.reasons.org - belief and science. I'm a scientist and science validates it also in the bible and outside of it.

Biblical Evidence (Scratching the Surface Only)

Internal Evidences
Prophesies that are confirmed within Bible

- Life of Christ
The Tribe of Judah, Gen 49:10 - Luke 3:23-28
(Genesis was written 4004 BC to 1689 BC)
(Luke's time period is 60-70 AD)

Royal Line of David, Jer 23:5 -Matt 1:1
(Jeremiah 760 to 698 BC)/(Matthew 60-70 AD)

Born of a Virgin, Isaiah 7:14/Matt 1:18-23
(Isaiah 760 to 698 BC)/(60-70 AD)

**I can list at least 20 more of these.
-Rise of Empires
In the book of Daniel, Chapter 2 - four kingdoms are described in the interpretation of the dream of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon: Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greek - Daniel 8:21, 10:20) and a fourth great kingdom to follow - part iron and clay - which is the Roman Empire - during this empire Christ came and the church was established - Daniel 2:44.

-Historical Accuracy
The Bible is loaded with historical statements concerning events hundreds of years ago, yet has not been proven incorrect on any.
(Bible compared to other ancient documents):
New Testament - starts at 25 years - between original and first surviving copies
Homer - starts at 500 years
Demosthenes - at 1400 years
Plato - at 1200 years
Caesar - at 1000 years

Number of Manuscript Copies
New Testament - 5,686
Homer - 643
Demosthenes - 200
Plato - 7
Caesar - 10

Consistency
Written by at least 40 men over a period of time exceeding 1400 years, and has no internal inconsistencies.

Claim of Inspiration
It claims to be spoken by God, 2 Tim 3:16-17). No other religious book makes such claims.

External Evidences
(Prophesies Outside the Bible)
These cities were prophesied to be destroyed and never be built again.
Nineveh - Nahum 1:10, 3:7,15, Zephaniah 2:13-14
Babylon - Isaiah 13:1-22)
Tyre (Ezekiel 26:1-28)

Bible before Science
He hangs the earth on nothing - Job 26:7
(Job was written at least 1000 years ago - some scholars think it could be even 3000 years ago)
Note: Man only knew this for 350 years
Earth is a sphere, Isaiah 40:22
Air has weight, Job 28:25
Gravity - Job 26:7, Job 38:31-33
Winds blow in cyclones, Eccl 1:6

Documents that Prove Bible is True
Gilgamesh Epic, The Sumerian King List, Mari Tablets, Babylonian Chronicles

Archealogoical Finds
Excavations of Ur, Location of Zoar, Ziggurats and the foundation of Tower of Babel

Well, allow me to explain, you will notice in our previous discussions, where you have twisted what I said, put words in my mouth that I have not said, and drew all kinds of conclusions that were not there to begin with. Now, if you can do that, with a simple exchange between you and I, how much easier would it be to do that with the words of over a 100 authors, that were from a different language, and they had limited space to write, so they could not expound on every detail.

You have your own example, by the example you have provided, with our little exchange. Life provides you answers, if you do not learn form them, that is your choice.

I hope this answers your questions regarding that.

God Bless

Key

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"Pit Bulls and Christians, the whole lot of them being damned for a few bad apples". Quote: Loveabull Founder Vicki.

Q: Do you believe the Bible is the infallible word of God?

A: Yes. I also believe that many people read into it what they want to see, rather than what God is really saying.

His,
Rev J

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While not all Christians would say it exactly like this, here's what I believe:

The 66 Books of the biblical canon (39 OT, 27 NT) are the verbally, plenaricly inspired and inerrant Word of God as originally given.

"Verbally" means the actual words of the autographs were breathed out by God. "Plenary" means every word of the autographs was breathed out by God.

However, I believe God did not ignore the languages, cultures and even personalities of the 40ish human authors whom He used to pen His Bible. Rather, I believe God used these characteristics in formulating His work, but nevertheless supervened the process such that the end product turned out just the way He wanted it to.

That said, it sounds like your Mom and Dad believe the King James Version is perfect. If this is so, I must strongly disagree. While subsequent copies and translations of the Bible might do a pretty good job of preserving God's ideas, only the original documents can be considered letter perfect. As a consequence, I usually advise people to study from a variety of English translations. This collection may or may not include the King James; it really doesn't matter.

I am just so very sorry that you have had such an unpleasant experience with your parents' religious convictions. While I am strongly committed to sharing my faith as the Bible commands [Matthew 28:18-20; 1 Peter 3:15], I believe this must be done with gentleness and respect. Bible bashing is uncalled for, and generally ineffective.

Before you walk away from Jesus forever, why not try walking away from your parents' church? Find a conservative evangelical church like ours where questions are warmly welcomed and people are allowed to grow at their own pace. God loves you and He still has a wonderful plan for your life...if you're willing.

Yes, it is inspired and it is self evident that it is. For example, if one just takes 5 prophesies alone concerning the birth of Christ and have them all come to past my human effort (alone); its a one in a billion chance of this happening. The Bible has hundreds of detailed prophesies that has come true and more to be fulfilled. Also, a great book is Evidence That Demands A Verdict by Josh McDowell (it would stand up in court concerning biblical evidence).

Biblical Evidence (Scratching the Surface Only)

Internal Evidences
Prophesies that are confirmed within Bible

- Life of Christ
The Tribe of Judah, Gen 49:10 - Luke 3:23-28
(Genesis was written 4004 BC to 1689 BC)
(Luke's time period is 60-70 AD)

Royal Line of David, Jer 23:5 -Matt 1:1
(Jeremiah 760 to 698 BC)/(Matthew 60-70 AD)

Born of a Virgin, Isaiah 7:14/Matt 1:18-23
(Isaiah 760 to 698 BC)/(60-70 AD)

**I can list at least 20 more of these.
-Rise of Empires
In the book of Daniel, Chapter 2 - four kingdoms are described in the interpretation of the dream of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon: Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greek - Daniel 8:21, 10:20) and a fourth great kingdom to follow - part iron and clay - which is the Roman Empire - during this empire Christ came and the church was established - Daniel 2:44.

-Historical Accuracy
The Bible is loaded with historical statements concerning events hundreds of years ago, yet has not been proven incorrect on any.
(Bible compared to other ancient documents):
New Testament - starts at 25 years - between original and first surviving copies
Homer - starts at 500 years
Demosthenes - at 1400 years
Plato - at 1200 years
Caesar - at 1000 years

Number of Manuscript Copies
New Testament - 5,686
Homer - 643
Demosthenes - 200
Plato - 7
Caesar - 10

Consistency
Written by at least 40 men over a period of time exceeding 1400 years, and has no internal inconsistencies.



Claim of Inspiration
It claims to be spoken by God, 2 Tim 3:16-17). No other religious book makes such claims.

External Evidences
(Prophesies Outside the Bible)
These cities were prophesied to be destroyed and never be built again.
Nineveh - Nahum 1:10, 3:7,15, Zephaniah 2:13-14
Babylon - Isaiah 13:1-22)
Tyre (Ezekiel 26:1-28)

Bible before Science
He hangs the earth on nothing - Job 26:7
(Job was written at least 1000 years ago - some scholars think it could be even 3000 years ago)
Note: Man only knew this for 350 years
Earth is a sphere, Isaiah 40:22
Air has weight, Job 28:25
Gravity - Job 26:7, Job 38:31-33
Winds blow in cyclones, Eccl 1:6

Documents that Prove Bible is True
Gilgamesh Epic, The Sumerian King List, Mari Tablets, Babylonian Chronicles

Archealogoical Finds
Excavations of Ur, Location of Zoar, Ziggurats and the foundation of Tower of Babel

Hi Ehrenkreuz,

I think the Bible is a collection of works from man, that was inspired by God. Whether inspired means the same as being inspired by a sunset to write a poem, or whether it means God used men to place the exact words He saw fit, I'm not 100% certain, but I'm tempted to say the latter. My reason being that all Christians believe that our world is acting out God's plan, and that God is (more or less) holding the knowledge of everything that has past and everything that is to come, so it would make more sense to me to believe that God worked through man to create a collection of books that represented what He wanted. Including any subtle differences in the accounts that talk about the same thing.


I think in anyones life, there will come a stage where you begin to question what is presented to you. In addition, it's very hard for a family to accept their child growing up into an adult, and/or not sharing their beliefs. Don't be too hard on your parents, and I hope they aren't too hard on you. I think what you are doing is absolutely, and comprehensively the correct thing to do, in questioning what you believe, as it's the most important thing in this world really and I hope it leads you to truth, it will most likely be quite a journey, I know I've changed my views often enough.

I would say, don't worry about what I think. I mean, if you are questioning what your parents think, why would you care what I or anyone else here thinks? I went through a similar stage as you though, where I had to seperate the faith from the people, because ultimately I didn't like many of the people in the faith, and they happened to be the ones who were most vocal about getting me in the faith, which meant that for most of my life I wasn't a Christian. Since then, I've found time to do as you are doing, and find out what I believe. As it turns out, I believe in God, and as it also turns out, for completely different reasons than my parents or family, not that I think they are wrong though (they weren't the people I didn't like that I mentioned earlier btw - just in case you think I hate my family ).

Anyhow, I have drafted three rules that I apply to my Christian faith, maybe they will help you:

1) Ultimately, it's not about other people. It's about me, and God, and how we relate to each other. It's about our relationship, or lack thereof. The guy on the corner is not important, my family is not important, the president is not important, only I am and in this decision and it's about God, so He is too.
2) There are questions whose answers escape me. Sometimes I need faith to take God on His word, in this respect I always remember what Hebrews 11 says about faith, and I try not to let the unattainable get in my way of my life with God.

Lastly.

3) As you know, having radically differing beliefs than those of your parents, I test things. Christianity is not about ignorance, it's about truth.

1 Thessalonians 5:21
"Test everything. Hold on to the good."

It's really important that you don't accept what other people say, that you search for answers and that it's about what you you think, not what other people do, or what other people want you to think under duress.

So yeah, they have helped me a great deal, because now I ultimately follow God, instead of following other people's belief and views in God.

Also, second-lastly, Ebia mentioned there are many Chrisitans who can look at the Bible as a historical record and read it like that, this is what I think you should do, because some of the obvious things escape us sometimes, like the word "Testiment." I never realised until recently, that it's called that, because the people within who wrote these events are giving their testimony of what they saw, heard and researched in that time.

Cheers!
Digit

I believe the Bible is the infallable Word of God.

Where things sometimes fall down is in interpretation.

So do you have an example of something in the bible that you deem to be fallable?


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Originally Posted by Ehrenkreuz

What I'm wondering is -- what do you believe the Bible is? Do you believe that the Bible is unquestionably correct, as if it were direct dictations from God? Or do you consider it more of an inspiring and holy mix of history and fiction, or something else entirely? Do you think that the Bible should be placed on such a high pedestal?

My reason for asking this question is this; my parents have brought me up to be a Christian. They are zealous, Evangelical and quite credulous when it comes to the scriptures. They believe that the Bible is in fact the infallible word of God. Any attempt to besmirch any single thing their beloved Bible claims is considered a sin worse then any other, and they will proceed to take their weight KJV and proverbially ram it into any orifice you leave unguarded.

And so - before I cast aside Christianity altogether, with considerable bitterness and resentment, I'd like to hear how you define the Bible. This is not an attack, but a genuine question. I do not want to debate my beliefs, or question yours, I just want to know what you think.

I was raised in a Baptist household and rebelled HEAVILY for about 13 years until God got hold of me with heavy conviction and I returned to Him.

But even during my wild escapades those years I always knew & believed the Bible was 100% true in what it taught.
In what I understand of what I studied about how our bible came to be, I come to this basic conclusion: the teachings and intents are 100% infallible and true - what contains 'error' are some translative discrepancies of certain Greek/Hebrew words - and I believe there were some transpositions along the way, some numerolical issues, etc.
But nothing has harmed the intent or teaching so as to change a doctrine. In other words, none of the translative errors or discrepancies that came to exist change any essential / central doctrines that affect our salvation or change God.
Much of it IS in tact and completely reliable.

You can get into a slippery slope of using "bible error" to start dismantling the bible teachings to cherry pick out what you dislike & keep what you like - many have fallen into that pit are even denying essential truth's that salvation hinges on over time.
That's where it can easily lead and it's becoming more and more prevalent today.