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20th July 2007, 11:36 PM
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I know people won't agree with me, but you can't lose salvation. When we fall, it is the grace of God that picks us up. Salvation is a free gift and it not received through works. Jesus died for all men so that all could be forgiven of their sins. God doesn't take away our salvation if we are in habitual sin or sinning often.
Here is a link to a thread I made of sin. I want you to pay close attention to to the explanation of 1 John 2:12-14:
http://www.christianforums.com/t5687438-sin.html
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21st July 2007, 02:39 AM
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Reps: 62,872,008,933,257,656 (power: 62,872,008,933,270) | | Originally Posted by FenderElctrc  I know people won't agree with me, but you can't lose salvation. When we fall, it is the grace of God that picks us up. Salvation is a free gift and it not received through works. Jesus died for all men so that all could be forgiven of their sins. God doesn't take away our salvation if we are in habitual sin or sinning often.
Here is a link to a thread I made of sin. I want you to pay close attention to to the explanation of 1 John 2:12-14:
http://www.christianforums.com/t5687438-sin.html
Also, here is a link to a video on this topic by thevinerhyme:
MY BROTHER,
"eternal security" is a very dangerous delusion to dangle in front of new Christians.
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except the fact that i know no other God than Thee.
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LORD JESUS CHRIST, HUMBLE LAMB OF GOD, have mercy on me, an arrogant sinner!
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21st July 2007, 07:34 AM
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I am giving them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. John 10:28
A qualification, for people who're looking at some particular public statement they've made or prayer they've made though. God gives people eternal life, and not because of public actions or private prayers. The Apostle who wrote down what Jesus said above, also wrote this:
I write these things to you who rely in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life. 1 Jn 5:13
The Apostles urge us in almost every letter to make sure of who we're trusting in. Because that's important. But they also assure us, the One in Whom Christians trust is giving us eternal life, and keeping us secure.
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21st July 2007, 12:55 PM
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If one lives in sin so much, can you really trust that they were initially saved to begin with?
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21st July 2007, 12:58 PM
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Reps: 205 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Ishida If one lives in sin so much, can you really trust that they were initially saved to begin with?
What does it matter if you trust or not? What matters is whether Christ trusts that they truly repented. |
21st July 2007, 01:02 PM
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21st July 2007, 08:22 PM
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21st July 2007, 08:27 PM
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21st July 2007, 08:37 PM
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Reps: 10,866,181,078,411 (power: 10,866,181,085) | | | i believe that we are secure as long as our relationship with Him is maintained. if someone renounces God then how can they still be saved?
i had this same conversation with a deacon at my old church, and i cant understand his theology for anything. if someone accepts Christ when they're young, and then changes their mind and becomes an atheist or a buddhist, and dies in that state without ever coming back to Jesus then are they still eternally secure? |
21st July 2007, 08:43 PM
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Reps: 25,993 (power: 31) | | Originally Posted by FenderElctrc I know people won't agree with me, but you can't lose salvation. When we fall, it is the grace of God that picks us up. Salvation is a free gift and it not received through works. Jesus died for all men so that all could be forgiven of their sins. God doesn't take away our salvation if we are in habitual sin or sinning often.[/url]
....not so sure you can't lose your salvation. if anything the Bible warns us to 'work out your own salvation with fear & trambling."
a person in habitual sin is certainly not fearful or trembling, neither are they working it out. I'b be very careful to counsel someone when it's one's eternal destiny at stake. "and the books were opened", note 2 books; the book of life, and the Lamb's book of life. and the warning is that one's name may be erased.  | | |
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