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Not suprisingly it's rare to hear a creationist response to ERVs. The most I've heard from them is a vague mentioning by VenomfangX.
That's why creationism will never be science. When someone finds a flaw in evolution evolutionists will jump on it and correct it. When someone finds a flaw in creationism, they pretend it doesn't exist and go about their ways.
As usual the TO is inaccurate, the ERVs don't make up 1% of the Genome, The Long Terminal Repeats make up 8.3%, class 1 and MER4 is 2.8%, Class 2 is 0.3%, Class 3 is 4.6% and all others are 0.6%.
In fact the ERV class I has 234 insertions (PtERV1 and PtERV2) greater then 1 million base pairs. The human genome has 5 and they are 8Kb (HERV9). (Chimpanzee Genome , Nature 2005)
Doesn't that mean the Talk Origins lied about the evidence? Check your facts next time.
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As usual the TO is inaccurate, the ERVs don't make up 1% of the Genome, The Long Terminal Repeats make up 8.3%, class 1 and MER4 is 2.8%, Class 2 is 0.3%, Class 3 is 4.6% and all others are 0.6%.
In fact the ERV class I has 234 insertions (PtERV1 and PtERV2) greater then 1 million base pairs. The human genome has 5 and they are 8Kb (HERV9). (Chimpanzee Genome , Nature 2005)
Doesn't that mean the Talk Origins lied about the evidence? Check your facts next time.
backing your claims up rather than merely asserting it would be rather nice.
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As usual the TO is inaccurate, the ERVs don't make up 1% of the Genome, The Long Terminal Repeats make up 8.3%, class 1 and MER4 is 2.8%, Class 2 is 0.3%, Class 3 is 4.6% and all others are 0.6%.
In fact the ERV class I has 234 insertions (PtERV1 and PtERV2) greater then 1 million base pairs. The human genome has 5 and they are 8Kb (HERV9). (Chimpanzee Genome , Nature 2005)
Doesn't that mean the Talk Origins lied about the evidence? Check your facts next time.
Does it, and does it matter? Do you have a response to the actual argument, rather than pointless nitpicking? If you actually had something useful to say - for example, that ERVs don't fall into a nested hierarchy - you'd say it.
Since you don't, you have to resort to pointless gripes about minor inaccuracies, supported only by an article few people have access to.
Does it, and does it matter? Do you have a response to the actual argument, rather than pointless nitpicking? If you actually had something useful to say - for example, that ERVs don't fall into a nested hierarchy - you'd say it.
Since you don't, you have to resort to pointless gripes about minor inaccuracies, supported only by an article few people have access to.
It looks like an attempt to me to poison the well. note the flippant suggestion that the writers of that article are lying.
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As usual the TO is inaccurate, the ERVs don't make up 1% of the Genome, The Long Terminal Repeats make up 8.3%, class 1 and MER4 is 2.8%, Class 2 is 0.3%, Class 3 is 4.6% and all others are 0.6%.
Not to give too much away from future discussions between mark and I, but I think the TO article tries (poorly) to differentiate between novel insertions from exogenous infection and retrotransposons. Solo LTR's are most likely due to internal recombination, for example.
Doesn't that mean the Talk Origins lied about the evidence? Check your facts next time.
It is misleading by ommission, if anything.
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woa woa woooa i wasn't saying that web site. i don't think i've ever been there before. i'm just saying that when i see or hear about a website that has an atheistic point of view it makes me weary of even visiting.
Talk Origins has a scientific point of view, and several of its authors are Christians or other theists.
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