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14th September 2003, 08:26 PM
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Reps: 45 (power: 0) | | | Do we have the true Hebrew?- Can we rightfully call upon the name of the L-rd? This scripture got me to thinking, do we have the true Hebrew? Even thought it was "resurrected" by those in Israel , did they get it right? This makes me think that it isn't exactly the same as it used to be , back in the Garden.
Zephaniah 3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord.
Or is this something else? A different way of communicating?
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Reps: 67,209,950,366,388 (power: 67,209,950,378) | | Originally Posted by SonWorshipper This scripture got me to thinking, do we have the true Hebrew? Even thought it was "resurrected" by those in Israel , did they get it right? This makes me think that it isn't exactly the same as it used to be , back in the Garden.
Modern Hebrew isn't a "resurrection" of Biblical Hebrew, it is in large part a new invention. Eliezer ben Yehuda personally created tons of new words as well as linguistic rules for Modern Hebrew so that it could be a modern spoken language.
As such, it seems unlikely to me that it is the " pure language" referenced in Scripture.
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15th September 2003, 12:33 PM
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Reps: 45 (power: 0) | | I wasn't speaking of Modern Hebrew, but Biblical, I realize that there is a great difference. I guess I was focusing on the fact that I have yet to see an agreement on what the true pronounciation of the name of G-d is, being that the scripture I found was speaking of His name.
I guess my wording was incorrect, I should have said, "Do we have the right pronounciation of Biblical Hebrew?"
The Hebrew language was kept, but in so many countries by those speaking daily another language of another people. I have learned that there are many pronounciations of ordianary words, from one to another, but who is correct? I think it has to do with your heritage, where your ancestors settled and the "accent" they had.
Also I am still wondering about the wording in that scripture, it say "I will turn" not return, wondering about that too.
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[*](Niphal)- to be upturned
[*](Hithpael)- to turn this way and that, turn every way
[*](Hophal) to turn on someone[/list][/list]
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Reps: 67,209,950,366,388 (power: 67,209,950,378) | | Originally Posted by SonWorshipper I wasn't speaking of Modern Hebrew, but Biblical, I realize that there is a great difference. I guess I was focusing on the fact that I have yet to see an agreement on what the true pronounciation of the name of G-d is, being that the scripture I found was speaking of His name.
Sorry, SW! When you said that Hebrew had been "resurrected," I mistakenly thought that you meant Modern Hebrew. My bad!
When you speak of Hebrew being resurrected, are you referring to the work of Ezra?
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15th September 2003, 02:21 PM
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Reps: 45 (power: 0) | | | Oh dear! perhaps I didn't use the correct word. I know that Hebrew was not the common language even in the time of Yeshua walking the earth, right? Basically Aramaic and Greek was being used but I believe that the scriptures were still read in Hebrew in the Synagogues, no? Or was it the Septuigent?
I guess what I inferred from that passage in Zeph. was that at one time the pure language existed, not sure if this was before Babel or not but I believe that the true Hebrew (the language of G-d ) was spoken between Adam and the L-rd when they walked together in the Garden.
Now Moses asked the L-rd what his name was to tell the people and there are many questions as to what it means. Also Moses I don't believe was speaking Hebrew at that time.
The word used in that scripture is "pure" Which in Hebrew is the word "barar" meaning to purge,to be chosen,be choice; to be sharpened , polished, to keep clean, be pure, purify, to cleanse,to sharpen
Interesting in light of Malachi 3:3
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