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I am a Christian but I have a hard time coinciding a literal 6 day creation alongside the fact that we can see stars millions of light years away. Does anyone have a sciencetific explaination and I mean a good one. I've taken plenty of physics in college so please don't respong with "God made it so it appears that way". Thanks.... |
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Reps: 6,298 (power: 11) | | Originally Posted by turlockmike  I am a Christian but I have a hard time coinciding a literal 6 day creation alongside the fact that we can see stars millions of light years away. Does anyone have a sciencetific explaination and I mean a good one. I've taken plenty of physics in college so please don't respong with "God made it so it appears that way". Thanks....
Good start... thinking, questioning.
The answer is simple... The universe is 13.7 billion years old and the universe is very large.
Many Christians also believe this is true.
If you want more details, i.e. why I believe this - then please ask.
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Bad argument.
If you veiw things that way, then you surely cannot accept "God made humans appear this way" or "God made the Earth appear this way".
The bible says that God made the stars. Why would he create them so they cannot be seen untill millions of years after creation? The answer is that He wouldn't.
So your answer IS "God made them appear that way"
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Reps: 273,058,856,457,603,328 (power: 273,058,856,457,625) | | Originally Posted by Graham4C Bad argument.
If you veiw things that way, then you surely cannot accept "God made humans appear this way" or "God made the Earth appear this way".
The bible says that God made the stars. Why would he create them so they cannot be seen untill millions of years after creation? The answer is that He wouldn't.
So you answer IS "God made them appear that way"
I disagree. The more likely answer is that the universe is 12-13 billion years old, as per the standard model. If it looks old, and all the evidence says it's old, then why call it young?
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Reps: 5,021 (power: 11) | | Originally Posted by Graham4C Bad argument.
If you veiw things that way, then you surely cannot accept "God made humans appear this way" or "God made the Earth appear this way".
The bible says that God made the stars. Why would he create them so they cannot be seen untill millions of years after creation? The answer is that He wouldn't.
So you answer IS "God made them appear that way" Prove that god didn't make the universe last Thursday with all of our memories implanted.
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Thats rich Prove that god didn't make the universe last Thursday with all of our memories implanted. You cant disprove it, in the same way that you can't prove Evolution, or disprove God. |
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You cant disprove it, in the same way that you can't prove Evolution, or disprove God.
Indeed, there is no disproving last Thursdayism, but there is no reason to believe it either, just as there is no reason to believe last 6,000 yearism either.
We don't try to prove evolution or disprove God. We do note that all the evidence is best explained rationally by an old universe, an old earth and evolution.
For a Christian, like myself, who doesn't believe God is a trickster playing games like last Thursdayism with us, but a God who created a real, ordered, discoverable world, this leads to the conclusion that what best explains the evidence is a good indication of what God actually did and when he did it.
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The only explanation to cover the Big Bang, biogenesis, and Evolution is that God interjected at each small step along the way. This sounds very much like the "trickster" you described. |
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Reps: 12,567,898,174,147,644 (power: 12,567,898,174,166) | | Originally Posted by Graham4C nor do i believe that God is a trickster creating a system which complies with no laws observable anywhere else, and interjecting every now and again to change the process of things.
The only explanation to cover the Big Bang, biogenesis, and Evolution is that God interjected at each small step along the way. This sounds very much like the "trickster" you described.
How so? I can see two possibilities.
1. God created an ordered process so that continued "interjection" is unnecessary.
2. God does "interject" at each small step, but does so in a regular predictable way that is fully consistent with scientific study of the regularities of nature.
By either possibility, the created universe is real, ordered, predictable and knowable via sense and reason. What you see is what you get.
Nothing is obscured behind a veil of impenetrable miracles such that it looks ancient but is actually only 6,000 years (or less than 7 days) old.
It is the latter I consider "tricksterism".
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