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Reps: 84,929,301,057,186,064 (power: 84,929,301,057,204) | | Originally Posted by Eledhan  In response to the original question of this thread...
Since you obviously are a Cristian, and you believe the Bible, you shouldn't find it too hard to accept that God made Adam a mature man. This means that Adam didn't grow into a man from a baby. The normal amount of "time" was skipped in order to create a mature male.
But would God give Adam a belly button, scars from injuries he never suffered, and memories of being a child? If not, then why do we see a history in the stars that spans billions of years? We see supernova remnants, galaxies tearing each other apart in a dance that lasts millions of years, large meteor impacts that have not occurred in recorded history (and would have been recorded), etc. When you look at the night sky you do not see maturity. You see a history. According to you, God faked this history.
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Reps: 46,662,272,536,736,768 (power: 46,662,272,536,740) | | | I would say there are two possibilitys: ether some crazy physics thing happened when God made the universe where the speed of matter broke the speed of light and changed the equation of speed by bending time. Or the six days of creation where not six earthly days. (remember for a few days the earth was not created, or at least not in it's present form, so there was no "day") In Hebrew the Genisis acount uses three words for the word "day" we put in place of them. One of them is the "day" as in one revolution of the earth, one is a "day" meaning a span of time better translated an epoch and thirdly one of the "days" is used in the same way as one would say, " Back in my "DAY" we walked to school up hill both ways" so the first "day" may have been 15 billion years. Ezekial states, " to God a thousand years is a day and one day is one thousand years"
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Reps: 273,058,856,457,603,328 (power: 273,058,856,457,625) | | Originally Posted by bibleblevr I would say there are two possibilitys: ether some crazy physics thing happened when God made the universe where the speed of matter broke the speed of light and changed the equation of speed by bending time. Or the six days of creation where not six earthly days. (remember for a few days the earth was not created, or at least not in it's present form, so there was no "day") In Hebrew the Genisis acount uses three words for the word "day" we put in place of them. One of them is the "day" as in one revolution of the earth, one is a "day" meaning a span of time better translated an epoch and thirdly one of the "days" is used in the same way as one would say, " Back in my "DAY" we walked to school up hill both ways" so the first "day" may have been 15 billion years. Ezekial states, " to God a thousand years is a day and one day is one thousand years"
Chistianity and sience are perfectly compatible Just look a little harder.
"All wisdom, knowledge, and Good counsel is from God" Proverbs
If you look hard enough, you can reconcile any text with science. It's a pastime of fans to explain away internal and external inconsistencies, plot-holes, and other hiccups in fictional universes.
That you can do the same with the Bible should be no surprise, nor should it be taken as evidence for the veracity of the Bible (anymore than explaining the physics of Stargate proves that the TV show is a documentary...).
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27th August 2009, 03:17 AM
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Reps: 5,192 (power: 12) | | Originally Posted by Loudmouth But would God give Adam a belly button, scars from injuries he never suffered, and memories of being a child?
Perhaps He did. I agree that the universe appears to be billions of years old. If God is in the equation, then the real age of the universe could be anything.
There are many stories in the OT of God allowing, even encouraging, deception/delusion. I dont have a problem with that. Perhaps God has critically important reasons for the universe appearing to be old whilst needing to be young. |
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Reps: 60,432,235,365,689,568 (power: 60,432,235,365,700) | | Originally Posted by J0hnSm1th There are many stories in the OT of God allowing, even encouraging, deception/delusion. I dont have a problem with that. Perhaps God has critically important reasons for the universe appearing to be old whilst needing to be young.
Alternatively, the universe may really be old, and God has critically important reasons for (deceptively) making the Bible look like it's describing a young earth (and a typical ancient near eastern cosmology, too). One version of this idea is my "appearance of youth" theory: in reality, Genesis provides a detailed, scientifically accurate description of an old universe and of the evolution of life, but God makes the text look like it's talking about seven days of creation a few thousand years ago. That theory makes at least as much sense to me as appearance of age theories (which is to say, none at all). |
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Reps: 293,424,014,973,578,752 (power: 293,424,014,973,591) | | Originally Posted by bibleblevr I would say there are two possibilitys: ether some crazy physics thing happened when God made the universe where the speed of matter broke the speed of light and changed the equation of speed by bending time. Or the six days of creation where not six earthly days. (remember for a few days the earth was not created, or at least not in it's present form, so there was no "day") In Hebrew the Genisis acount uses three words for the word "day" we put in place of them. One of them is the "day" as in one revolution of the earth, one is a "day" meaning a span of time better translated an epoch and thirdly one of the "days" is used in the same way as one would say, " Back in my "DAY" we walked to school up hill both ways" so the first "day" may have been 15 billion years. Ezekial states, " to God a thousand years is a day and one day is one thousand years"
Chistianity and sience are perfectly compatible Just look a little harder.
"All wisdom, knowledge, and Good counsel is from God" Proverbs
"some crazy physics thing" ...
Yeah, that's what it must be, some crazy physics thing... 
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by turlockmike I am a Christian but I have a hard time coinciding a literal 6 day creation alongside the fact that we can see stars millions of light years away. Does anyone have a sciencetific explaination and I mean a good one. I've taken plenty of physics in college so please don't respong with "God made it so it appears that way". Thanks....
God is NOT bound by the OUR laws of SCIENCE. this isn't your scientific answer, but, if you believe that God created the world, stars, sun, moon, and everything in 6 days about 6,000 years ago. Don't you think he could make it so we could enjoy the stars without having to wait millions of years? |
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Reps: 93,489,950,375,983,120 (power: 93,489,950,376,010) | | Originally Posted by Gatheris God is NOT bound by the OUR laws of SCIENCE. this isn't your scientific answer, but, if you believe that God created the world, stars, sun, moon, and everything in 6 days about 6,000 years ago. Don't you think he could make it so we could enjoy the stars without having to wait millions of years?
You might want to familiarize yourself with the difference between the appearance of age and the appearance of history before jumping into this discussion.
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