No! You're wrong, very wrong...Evolution has never been proven and any scientist that says that it has is full of hot air. To prove a theory, it has to be able to be duplicated. Evolution has never been proven in such a manner. It can't happen.
LALALA not listening ;p. evolution is 100% bonafide science.
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"99 out of 100 scientists agree, evolution leads to a healthy and balanced outlook on reality"
For those who don't believe in a Creator consider this:
When the moon is between the sun and the earth and casts its shadow on the earth, a solar
eclipse takes place. Due to an uncanny coincidence, the moon and sun appear in our sky to
be exactly the same size. Sure, the moon is 400 times smaller than the sun, but it also
just happens to be exactly 400 times closer. Strange, but true. Thus it is possible for
the lunar disk to precisely cover the sun when the alignment is just right.
This alone is enough to dispose of the the idea that the universe came to be by natural processes (no Creator).
Consider the human eye, a bird in flight, the circulatory system, human brain ....so many other facts that demand a creator. It is absolutely ludicrous to believe that the universe came to be through random chance without a Designer. It takes much more faith to believe in evolution with no Creator than "In the beginning, God created".
When the moon is between the sun and the earth and casts its shadow on the earth, a solar
eclipse takes place. Due to an uncanny coincidence, the moon and sun appear in our sky to
be exactly the same size. Sure, the moon is 400 times smaller than the sun, but it also
just happens to be exactly 400 times closer. Strange, but true. Thus it is possible for
the lunar disk to precisely cover the sun when the alignment is just right.
This alone is enough to dispose of the the idea that the universe came to be by natural processes (no Creator).
Have you ever heard of annular eclipses? Sad to say but the sun and the moon don't always appear the same size. A slight imperfection in the perfect creation, eh?
Consider the human eye, a bird in flight, the circulatory system, human brain ....so many other facts that demand a creator.
As for bird flight, nobody thinks it just popped into existence. There are various hypotheses out there - one is that flight movements evolved from prey-grasping movements of predatory dinosaurs -, go and check them out...
The brain is a very similar case to the eye. If you look around the animal kingdom you can find just about every stage in its evolution in living animals.
It is absolutely ludicrous to believe that the universe came to be through random chance without a Designer. It takes much more faith to believe in evolution with no Creator than "In the beginning, God created".
First, what does the beginning of the universe have to do with biological evolution? I willingly admit we know nothing (or very little) about the Beginning. But evolution isn't concerned with how things began, and unlike the birth of the universe or even the origin of life, it's been observed and documented and experimentally demonstrated in a huge number of cases. I don't think believing a theory like that requires any leap of faith.
For me, however, a Creator (1) intelligent enough to see through the entire complexity of a universe, and especially the complexity of organisms and ecosystems and (2) powerful enough to create natural laws, physical forces, matter... life... seems just a wee bit unreasonable as an assumption. Besides the fact that no evidence supports its existence.
Also, don't be overobsessed with "random chance". Random chance is only what produces variation in the first place - who survives to reproduce is usually not random at all.
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"Come on, put your bloody thinking caps on!" - Dr Tony Prave, geology lecture
Well, your personal incredulity has me convinced! No more science for me. All hail Chronos & Gaia, creators of the universe!
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And like some ragged stranger / Died upon the cross
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the sun and the moon don't always appear the same size. A slight imperfection in the perfect creation, eh?
Don't have enough posts to link to external site showing total solar eclipse, but looks pefectly aligned to me!
As stated in the New Testement book of Romans :
19For the truth about God is known to them instinctively. God has put this knowledge in their hearts. 20From the time the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky and all that God made. They can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse whatsoever for not knowing God.
21Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. The result was that their minds became dark and confused. 22Claiming to be wise, they became utter fools instead.
When the moon is between the sun and the earth and casts its shadow on the earth, a solar
eclipse takes place. Due to an uncanny coincidence, the moon and sun appear in our sky to
be exactly the same size. Sure, the moon is 400 times smaller than the sun, but it also
just happens to be exactly 400 times closer. Strange, but true. Thus it is possible for
the lunar disk to precisely cover the sun when the alignment is just right.
Replace those 'exactly's with 'approximately's, and you've got a point. However, consider all the coincidences that could have been, but by some quirk of nature, didn't. This is just one of those coincidences that, in our lifetimes, happen to exist. Think about it: the Moon is constantly moving away from the Earth, so there's bound to be a period of time in which Total Eclipses occur.
Originally Posted by rmenz53
This alone is enough to dispose of the the idea that the universe came to be by natural processes (no Creator).
I don't see how. See above, or explain your reasoning.
Originally Posted by rmenz53
Consider the human eye, a bird in flight, the circulatory system, human brain ....
All fascinating products of evolution from simpler systems.
Originally Posted by rmenz53
so many other facts that demand a creator.
Not really. They are all products of evolution.
Originally Posted by rmenz53
It is absolutely ludicrous to believe that the universe came to be through random chance without a Designer.
Perhaps, but that doesn't make it any less true. Since when did the universe bow to be comprehensive enough for you to grasp?
Originally Posted by rmenz53
It takes much more faith to believe in evolution with no Creator than "In the beginning, God created".
Why?
Originally Posted by rmenz53
the sun and the moon don't always appear the same size. A slight imperfection in the perfect creation, eh?
Don't have enough posts to link to external site showing total solar eclipse, but looks pefectly aligned to me!
Then post the url as text.
Originally Posted by rmenz53
As stated in the New Testement book of Romans :
19For the truth about God is known to them instinctively. God has put this knowledge in their hearts. 20From the time the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky and all that God made. They can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse whatsoever for not knowing God.
21Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. The result was that their minds became dark and confused. 22Claiming to be wise, they became utter fools instead.
Which means sod all if your can't justify the truth of Romans 1:19-22 (and no, just saying 'God said it, therefore it's true' doesn't count: you have to then justify that God did say it).
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A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, -- a mere heart of stone.
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"I am a scientist... when I find evidence that my theories are wrong, it is as exciting as if the evidence proved them right."
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What can be asserted without reason, can be denied without reason.
- Anon
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything."
And, believe it or not, there are also many more partial than total eclipses.
As stated in the New Testement book of Romans :
I don't give a damn what's stated in any book unless you give me good reason to accept it.
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"Come on, put your bloody thinking caps on!" - Dr Tony Prave, geology lecture
The angular diameters of the sun and moon (how big they are as seen from Earth) are as follows:
Sun 32'
Moon 29' – 33'
So the moon will only perfectly match up with the Sun during an eclipse when it's close to the furthest point of its orbit. Also, as Wiccan_Child pointed out, the orbits are always moving slightly; this seeming coincidence would not have been in play at all some millions of years ago, and millions of years from now it will have been long gone.
Also, I'd like Christians to come up with a general consensus on whether faith is good or bad. After all, if atheism requires more faith and faith is a virtue maybe we should all be one!
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In response to the original question of this thread...
Since you obviously are a Cristian, and you believe the Bible, you shouldn't find it too hard to accept that God made Adam a mature man. This means that Adam didn't grow into a man from a baby. The normal amount of "time" was skipped in order to create a mature male.
What about the rest of creation? God created trees, grass, animals, etc. fully mature and inhabiting the earth.
If you believe the Bible, then your answer is there if you will take the time to study it closely. I believe that the correct answer to your question is this...God created a mature man, mature plants, mature animals, mature earth. (I believe that you accept this too) Why would it be so hard of a stretch to assume that God also created the solar system, galaxy, and for that matter, the rest of the universe mature? This would explain the age of the earth debates that always come up in Christianity.
If you could have observed Adam 10 minutes after God created him, how old would you have estimated he was, without knowing he had just been created? I would guess he would have been at least 20 because he most likely had already "hit" puberty. If knowing what we know now about the speed of light, you were to be on the earth, with the absolute knowledge that God had just created it, would you question that the stars were actually billions of light years away? No, you wouldn't. You would assume that God made the universe mature, just like he made Adam mature. And you're not questioning whether Adam is really only 10 minutes old, because you just saw it happen.
Now, I realize that this is all based on the Bible's interpretation of the creation event, but you said you were a Christian. If you were claiming to be an atheist, or whatever, I would not have used this method.
For those who don't believe in a Creator consider this: 
First, what does the beginning of the universe have to do with biological evolution? I willingly admit we know nothing (or very little) about the Beginning. But evolution isn't concerned with how things began, and unlike the birth of the universe or even the origin of life, it's been observed and documented and experimentally demonstrated in a huge number of cases. I don't think believing a theory like that requires any leap of faith. 
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