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Proof Of The End Times?

In recent weeks the connection between current events and End Times prophecy has become increasingly clear. Dramatic changes in the Middle East are setting the stage for the coming Rapture.

Here are just two examples:
One of the key signs of the End Times is the rebuilding of Babylon--a city mentioned 42 times in the Book of Revelation. Modern Babylon sits just 60 miles south of Baghdad in the heart of Iraq. With the arrival of peace and Western powers eager to "nation build," the time is ripe for Babylon to rise again. In the final days Babylon will serve as a great economic, commercial, and political center for the Antichrist's empire.

Various groups continue to push Jerusalem even closer to its foretold role in the End Times. Private efforts are underway to not only rebuild the temple but to restore Israel to its original borders. Even more ominous, new plans for a Palestinian peace settlement may even herald the arrival of the Antichrist.
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How will the Palestinian settlement herald in the Antichrist?
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Read Daniel 12 I think, It mentions a treaty signed in israel for 7 years of peace for the nation.

And the person to sign that treaty, will be the Antichrist himself, who will regain power over the whole world.
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What about Hitler being the anti-crist?

Sorry, I'm being cinical.
But that's how I feel about trying to read the end times... people thought the end was near at hand 40 years ago, and 60 years ago... so many prophisies. Is it relevent? Is it important? Maybe, I don't know.
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Originally Posted by Multi-Elis
What about Hitler being the anti-crist?

Sorry, I'm being cinical.
But that's how I feel about trying to read the end times... people thought the end was near at hand 40 years ago, and 60 years ago... so many prophisies. Is it relevent? Is it important? Maybe, I don't know.
Well the anti-christ has to fit certain descriptions. Like his lineage, where he is from all that, etc. etc. I don't know if Hitler fit all those descriptions or not. But I did hear an interesting sermon once.

Part of it was that God is the only one who knows the day and hour (not even his Son) and especially not the devil. So satan has to have someone ready at all times to usher in as the anti-christ. So the way it was looked at was that there is always a potential anti-christ sort of hiding in the wings but until the rapture happens etc. they will just be "anti"-christ and not THE Anti-Christ.
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You are correct Force.

It does mention that in Pauls letters.

Before the end of the world there will be many anti-christs, but not until THE anti-christ will the tribulation start.

So Hitler was probably an anti-christ (aso Nero, and that other Roman emperor I keep forgetting) and maybe even Saddam, but THE anti-christ is still yet to come, he may even be on this earth right now growing up.
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Antichrist




Definition:
Antichrist means against or instead of Christ. The term applies to all who deny what the Bible says about Jesus Christ, all who oppose his Kingdom, and all who mistreat his followers. It also includes individuals, organizations, and nations that falsely claim to represent Christ or that improperly ascribe to themselves the role of Messiah.



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the Bible refer to only one antichrist?







1 John 2:18: "Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as you have heard that antichrist is coming, even now there have come to be many antichrists; from which fact we gain the knowledge that it is the last hour."




2 John 7: "Many deceivers have gone forth into the world, persons not confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist." (Notice that the "many antichrists" of 1 John 2:18 are here referred to collectively as "the antichrist.")



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the coming of the antichrist reserved for some future time?







1 John 4:3: "Every inspired expression that does not confess Jesus does not originate with God. Furthermore, this is the antichrist’s inspired expression which you have heard was coming, and now it is already in the world." (That was written near the end of the first century C.E.)




1 John 2:18: "Even now there have come to be many antichrists; from which fact we gain the knowledge that it is the last hour." (By "last hour" John evidently meant the end of the apostolic period. The other apostles had died, and John himself was very old.)



Some
of those identified as antichrist—







Persons
who deny that Jesus is truly the Messiah







1 John 2:22: "Who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is the Christ [or, Messiah, anointed one]? This is the antichrist."






All
who deny that Jesus is the unique Son of God







1 John 2:22: "This is the antichrist, the one that denies the Father and the Son."




Compare John 10:36; Luke 9:35.



Apostates






1 John 2:18, 19: "There have come to be many antichrists . . . They went out from us, but they were not of our sort."






Those
who oppose Christ’s true followers







John 15:20, 21: "If they have persecuted me, they will persecute you also . . . But they will do all these things against you on account of my name."






Individuals
and nations that oppose Christ as King or that themselves falsely claim the Messianic role







Ps. 2:2: "The kings of earth take their stand and high officials themselves have massed together as one against Jehovah and against his anointed one [Christ, or Messiah]."




See also Revelation 17:3, 12-14; 19:11-21.

Matt. 24:24: "False Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones."


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Originally Posted by S Walch
Read Daniel 12 I think, It mentions a treaty signed in israel for 7 years of peace for the nation.

And the person to sign that treaty, will be the Antichrist himself, who will regain power over the whole world.
Oh? So long as Arafat's around 7 years of peace is a pipe dream.
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Personally, I think the EU could be the birth place of the great Babylonian of revelations. Certainly I am not sure of this, nor am I saying that they have done some horrific act to prove such; I just see too much potential for one doctoral regime there.

First thing that strikes me, is I had no doubt that the EU will one day soon take over the US as the superpower of the world.

Second, is the similarity between vision doctrine between Hitler and the EU (I mean about what if will be like, certainly they are no going by the same means)

Third, every thing a central power has arose in Europe no good has come out of it.

Forth, The power they are giving to the EU? I mean the counties will have less sovereignty then US states.

Fifth, 10 in to 1 and rich, what better place

Sixth, they are building most principles off humanist theology and not things like the bible like the US did.

It is the only place where it is looking like there is going to be unity in the next while. I mean you can’t tell me you think people in the Middle East are going to join together for an extended period of time (do you know their history). And the cultural divisions are on the raise, not to mention most of the movements are not for unity by disunity.

Personally, I believe the US has no where to go but down, first off there economy is based on degenerative ideas. The lean politically is republicans, which almost always run a deficit. The public debt at 6 trillion with little room for the economy to grow. The society is fearful of not only themselves but now of terror , and that’s only on the raise. The social safety net is falling to record lows. Religious standards are going down the toilette, and the family values are basically all but a pipe dream for most.

Now what is left Africa? I mean there is still tribalism there, there is no way there are going to unite.

Asia, has so many cultural rifts, and the nature is to stay out of world affair cause they care most about there own country then expanding elsewhere.

Russia and eastern Europe, I could never see them as the enemy nor have they working for uniting together at this point in time.

And then there is the EU, and what more can I say then they are making the most progress they have in well, just plain ever.The EU is the next world super power, no question.

Of course what signs are there that make me thing we are approaching the end of the age?

First we have the capacity for to destroy the whole earth! We have a cultural falling (I call it the great social virus, many blame it on the US, I say it didn’t come from Americans, It just hit the Americans first.) That being this new I guess we call it the cultures/values killer (or pop culture?)! And the earth weather wise has been getting worse latley! Anti-Semitism is up!The year of the hebrew calander makes us at what is it like 5600s(i think) that would place us on the 6th day of the age(1000 years = 1 day) or coming up to the sabbath day or christ reign.And more,much more

The true question for me is:

Is Satan going to use the EU for his plan? keep your eyes peeled

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I just see too much potential for one doctoral regime there.
What exactly is doctoral regime?
First thing that strikes me, is I had no doubt that the EU will one day soon take over the US as the superpower of the world.
How? The EU's current objective is not to be a super power.


Second, is the similarity between vision doctrine between Hitler and the EU (I mean about what if will be like, certainly they are no going by the same means)
How so? What vision did hitler have, and how is this simular to the EU?


Forth, The power they are giving to the EU? I mean the counties will have less sovereignty then US states.
That is completely false, with the current state of things. Each coutry is first and formost a country on it's own, with the right to leave the EU any moment they want.

Fifth, 10 in to 1 and rich, what better place
That argument is outdated. I thought it was 15 the way things are now, and soon 20.

Sixth, they are building most principles off humanist theology and not things like the bible like the US did.
True, the "freedom of religion" here is different than what you find in America, it would be nice to discuss it on another thread.



Asia, has so many cultural rifts, and the nature is to stay out of world affair cause they care most about there own country then expanding elsewhere.
Now tell me what's lacking in your argument here.

And then there is the EU, and what more can I say then they are making the most progress they have in well, just plain ever.The EU is the next world super power, no question.
Of course what signs are there that make me thing we are approaching the end of the age?
The year of the hebrew calander makes us at what is it like 5600s(i think) that would place us on the 6th day of the age(1000 years = 1 day) or coming up to the sabbath day or christ reign.And more,much more
You can forget this. It's all gibberish. Remember, we don't know the day or the hour. People in th first and second century weren't supposed to believe in this sixth age thing.

The true question for me is:

Is Satan going to use the EU for his plan? keep your eyes peeled
Not untill fundumental aspects of it change, to make the above possible.
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