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See then in Matthew 24:14

Thanks, Rut, for quoting. It saved me from looking up other passages.

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
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Again, you have not answered my earlier question.

Could it be possible that the disciples were sent to "all nations" even to end of earth, to preach to the lost tribes of Israel?

Acts above does not say what I wrote above is wrong.
Acts 10
34 Opening his mouth, Peter said: "I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality,
35 but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him.

If I may suggest, reading all of the Acts 10 explains this much better.
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Could it be possible that the disciples were sent to "all nations" even to end of earth, to preach to the lost tribes of Israel?
Hi I_M.
Interesting what the initials of your first and last user name "say".

After the good news is proclaimed to all the Tribes of the Land, there is a rather interesting greek word used in Matt 24:14 "Telo".

It is the same greek word used by Peter in his interesting discourse of the NT.

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Matthew 24:14 and this good news of the reign shall be proclaimed in all the world/house-hold/oikou-menh <3625> , for a testimony to all the Nations; and then shall The/to <3588> End/teloV <5056> arrive
1 Peter 4:7 Of all all-things The/to <3588> End/teloV <5056> hath Come Nigh/hggiken <1448>; be sober-minded, then, and watch unto the prayers,
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Mat 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

Yes this one seems the most closer one to the idea of Jesus being for all humanity but I think still there is an unanswered question here.How do you know "all nations" refer to all humanity and not all tribes of Israel?Today the sons of Israel live all over the world and at the time of Jesus they were living in gentile world too,Anatolia,Greece,Rome..etc

This statement could mean 'when the teachings of Jesus is preached to all nations/tribes of Israel,then the end will come'
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John 1:29 On the morrow, seeing the John, the Jesus, coming toward him, and saith--Lo! the Lamb of the God, the one taking away the sin of the World/kosmou <2889>. [Hosea 10:8]
Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
Mat 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

Yes this one seems the most closer one to the idea of Jesus being for all humanity but I think still there is an unanswered question here.How do you know "all nations" refer to all humanity and not all tribes of Israel?Today the sons of Israel live all over the world and at the time of Jesus they were living in gentile world too,Anatolia,Greece,Rome..etc

This statement could mean 'when the teachings of Jesus is preached to all nations/tribes of Israel,then the end will come'
That would appear to be correct, at least according to the Jewish book of Revelation.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Reve 1:7 Behold! He is coming with the clouds, and shall be seeing Him every eye, even who any Him they "pierce". And shall be bewailing over Him all the Tribes of the Land. Yea Amen. [Jeremiah 4:13]

One man studied and found 348 allusions (not illusions, Light) in Revelation from the Old Testament. You see the similarity in wording and the context mirrored in Revelation and the particular Old Testament story, and immediately can recognize the reference source! That’s, IF you know the bible well enough to even notice that.

95 of the 348 plain references used in Revelation as taken from the Old Testament are repeated in Revelation. That makes about 250 Old Testament passages are cited. How many chapters are in Revelation? 22. That makes about TEN OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCES FOR EVERY CHAPTER!
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John 1:29 On the morrow, seeing the John, the Jesus, coming toward him, and saith--Lo! the Lamb of the God, the one taking away the sin of the World/kosmou <2889>. [Hosea 10:8]
One thing I find fascinating about this one greek word for "World" is that out of 187 times it is used in the NT, it is used only 3 times in the book of Revelation. WOW!!!

Strong's Number G2889 matches the Greek κόσμος (kosmos).
AVworld 186, adorning 1

Revelation 13:8 And all they who are dwelling upon the land will do homage unto him,--[every one] whose name is not written in the scroll of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world/kosmou <2889>
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Yes this one seems the most closer one to the idea of Jesus being for all humanity but I think still there is an unanswered question here.How do you know "all nations" refer to all humanity and not all tribes of Israel?Today the sons of Israel live all over the world and at the time of Jesus they were living in gentile world too,Anatolia,Greece,Rome..etc

This statement could mean 'when the teachings of Jesus is preached to all nations/tribes of Israel,then the end will come'

I have always understood "world" to be all humanity. We are not separate, one from the other, as we all come from the line of the first human pairing (Adam & Eve).

How could Christ be my salvation but not that of my brother?


He says it four times in putting forth His purpose in the following verses.

John 3:16-17

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him."
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He says it four times in putting forth His purpose in the following verses.
Yep!!!!

Here is a more literal word for word translation from an interlinear.

Strong's Number G2889 matches the Greek κόσμος (kosmos).

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John 3:16 For thus loves the God, the world/kosmon <2889> , so as the Son the only gereated he gives, so that all the one Faithfull in him, not shall be perishing/apo-lhtai <622> , but may be having life Age-abiding.

John 3:17 For not commissions the God the Son of Him intothe world/kosmon <2889> that He should be judging the world/kosmon <2889> , but that they may be being saved the world/kosmoV <2889> through Him.
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Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
Mat 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

Yes this one seems the most closer one to the idea of Jesus being for all humanity but I think still there is an unanswered question here.How do you know "all nations" refer to all humanity and not all tribes of Israel? Today the sons of Israel live all over the world and at the time of Jesus they were living in gentile world too,Anatolia,Greece,Rome..etc

This statement could mean 'when the teachings of Jesus is preached to all nations/tribes of Israel,then the end will come'
If you read in Act chapter 10 then you can see here was the first pagan that become christian read special verses 44 - 48 can you see that even the jews people was suprised.If that was only jews people that should be witness to then we forget that God talked about a spirital Israel/Jews and that Jesus said that God`s kingdom should take away from the Jews people as a nation

Some scriptures examples is Matthew 21:42 - 43, Romans 9: 6 - 8, Romans 11:25 - 26
One prophetic scripture that tell us little about the purpose that Jesus should come to the earth Zechariah 8:23
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Mat 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

Yes this one seems the most closer one to the idea of Jesus being for all humanity but I think still there is an unanswered question here.How do you know "all nations" refer to all humanity and not all tribes of Israel?Today the sons of Israel live all over the world and at the time of Jesus they were living in gentile world too,Anatolia,Greece,Rome..etc

This statement could mean 'when the teachings of Jesus is preached to all nations/tribes of Israel,then the end will come'
Anatolian, you are over thinking and using your Qu'ranic mind to influence the Biblical context. When you start saying something like "this could mean something other than what it seems" is to take your eyes off of the context. You are starting to project external meanings onto the context. Also, I don't think that the Bible uses the word "nation" to refer to an individual tribe. Nation is reserved for Israel (12 tribes as a unit) only as far as I know. Read below a repost of mine.

Act 1:1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
Act 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
Act 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
Act 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

The Entire book of Acts is your proof. Why make this more difficult than it has to be?
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