Could it be, in the cotext of the gospels, (not on the writings of Paul who has his agenda on preaching to gentiles) the 'nations' could mean the 12 tribes of Israel that were residing outside Judah and Canaan?
Other than that, Matt 28:19, as you very well know, is not found in the most ancient mss you have.
As far as Matthew missing some verses, I really haven't taken a lot of time on that one. I have read some material but have yet to dive deep enough into it to make a definitive statement.
The commission can be seen in other places. The Bible normally has more than one passage describing the same thing or at least referencing the same thing. It is easy to use other scriptures to verify that the commission was given. Just read the 1st chapter of Acts that I posted earlier and you can figure out that Jesus sent the Disciples to do His work. I can see by your comment that you really don't know a lot about the Bible except for the parts that you scour to prove your point.
Second thought, I thought that I may remind you.
Act 1:1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
Act 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
Act 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
Act 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
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The commission can be seen in other places. The Bible normally has more than one passage describing the same thing or at least referencing the same thing. It is easy to use other scriptures to verify that the commission was given. Just read the 1st chapter of Acts that I posted earlier and you can figure out that Jesus sent the Disciples to do His work.
I have never dispute the fact that the disciples went out to preach the gospels.
Originally Posted by peaceful soul
I can see by your comment that you really don't know a lot about the Bible except for the parts that you scour to prove your point.
Thank you teacher, for your kind comments.
Originally Posted by peaceful soul
Second thought, I thought that I may remind you.
Act 1:1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
Act 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
Act 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
Act 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Again, you have not answered my earlier question.
Could it be possible that the disciples were sent to "all nations" even to end of earth, to preach to the lost tribes of Israel?
Acts above does not say what I wrote above is wrong.
I have never dispute the fact that the disciples went out to preach the gospels.
Thank you teacher, for your kind comments.
Again, you have not answered my earlier question.
Could it be possible that the disciples were sent to "all nations" even to end of earth, to preach to the lost tribes of Israel?
Acts above does not say what I wrote above is wrong.
I see that you are up to your usual selective views. I gave you this passage to show you that the Disciple were not restricted to Israel. If you continue reading Acts, as I encouraged you to do, you will see the Disciples going out to areas outside of Israel. I gave you an example of Paul preaching the Gospel to the Greeks. Really, what is your excuse for not taking my post and investigating further. I did not feel that I needed to lead you to the water to drink when I showed you the way to the water.
Hello.We muslims believe he was sent to the sons of Israel not for all mankind.This doesnt mean the one who follows Him in real does a wrong job but this is God's plan for He sent Muhammed-aleyhissalam-to all mankind.Which proofs do christians have to claim that Jesus was sent to entire humanity and not only to the israelites?
And can you claim that prophet Muhammad was sent to Quraish only???? All prophets are sent with one message which is worshipping One God to the whole universe at their time. How come a prophet who is chosen among his people to tell them a message that he can say without being chosen by following the preceeding prophet like Moses(PBUH) religion, for example. Every chosen person by Allah is a messanger or a prophet and some are both.But the point is that we must believe that their message is one. Like a tree that has many branches but one strong stem. Since Adam, the message is one and the religion is one. Why then having many prophets and they were sent in different places??? Because the world is huge and it is Allah the All Knowing who sent the Messangers and Prophets with One Message and each prophet has certain character in that certain time and all those messangers are sent out of Allah's Mercy. Otherwise Allah would of choose only one prophet to carry an eternal unchangeable religion?? And make all the people bbelieve in him. But Allah has tried with people different ways from hard commands to easy ones. And you know what some are still stubborn and ungrateful to admit that God is One to worship. Muhammad is the last prophet (PBUH) cause there is short time between him and the Judgement Day. That's why he is the last prophet. And also he is followed by Jesus (PBUH) to keep the people together. Otherwise prophet Muhammad (PBUH) won't follow Jesus (PBUH) if Jesus will return back and kill the anti Christ. That we will say that prophet Muhammad is the one who was lifted up and will kill the anti-christ??? But we are making no lies my brother. True Muslims don't raise a claim without making sure what they are talking about.
Last edited by dnihila; 30th June 2007 at 05:21 AM.
When you take from the Greek scriptures it seems that Jesus did not come from all of mankind; he was sent for Israel alone.
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When you take from the Greek scriptures it seems that Jesus did not come from all of mankind; he was sent for Israel alone.
Is this a definite? Do you not see scripture that shows that His Disciples went to other lands to preach? The way that the whole scenario goes is that He was sent to give the new revelation to Israel, which makes sense given that this was the central focus of God's revelation per OT. If anyone was to receive the new revelation, it certainly would be to the source of prophecy, Israel. First Israel hears and then the rest of the world. It would not make sense to start from the other direction. Any thoughts?
Could it be, in the cotext of the gospels, (not on the writings of Paul who has his agenda on preaching to gentiles) the 'nations' could mean the 12 tribes of Israel that were residing outside Judah and Canaan?
Other than that, Matt 28:19, as you very well know, is not found in the most ancient mss you have.
See then in Matthew 24:14
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Hello.We muslims believe he was sent to the sons of Israel not for all mankind.This doesnt mean the one who follows Him in real does a wrong job but this is God's plan for He sent Muhammed-aleyhissalam-to all mankind.Which proofs do christians have to claim that Jesus was sent to entire humanity and not only to the israelites?
I can agree with you that it can look like that.Yes he only preach for the son`s of Israel but he even said in the end of his life that this should take away from them because they didn`t wanted to chance as a nation but as you know a few persons of Israel believed in him.The purpose that he was send down on earth was to save all human beings.
See for example Romans 5:12 - 21
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