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Trinity --- true or false?

Sir. Isaac Newton: The smartest human, other than Jesus, to ever live and one of the worlds greatest theologians says the doctrine of the trinity is an apostate and blasphemous. He studied it for years and traced it back to it's beginnings.





Quote from "ON NEWTON AND THE TRINITY"
John Byl, Ph.D.
"According to Newton, the seventh seal began in the year 380, when trinitarianism was officially ratified at the Council of Constantinople. The great apostasy was not Romanism, but trinitarianism, “the false infernal religion”, to quote Newton's own words."


Here is the whole article. John Byl is the author and does not agree with Newton. He makes some very good points about Newton though. Although John Byl discredits Newton, It does not matter. I know John Byl is no where near the intellect of Newton. To say things like this about brilliant men is weird. That is like me saying Steven Hawkins is not as smart as he thinks. It can easily be proven.
http://www.geocentricity.com/ba1/no77/newton-b.html

There is only one truth, one faith, one god and one savior.

Ephesians 4:5-7 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. 7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.


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in both verses that the Holy Ghost is not mentioned. If the Holy Ghost is part of the God Head, wouldn't the Holy Ghost be mentioned?

I know that this trinity garbage has been hashed all before. But I can show that the Trinity is bunk. It is either that, or John and Jesus would be liars.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

These two verses are the trinity busters. The trinity can not be, or John is lying.

Lets look at mans Idea.
Mary is called the mother of God. That makes Jesus God, People saw Jesus, That means that they saw God, which would make John a liar.

Well I know John did not lie. So God has never been seen. So Jesus is not God. He is an individual, the son of God. Just like he said over and over and over again. But people don't listen.

The father of lies has laid snares. Why did Jesus call them snares? Because they're traps. They are not easy to see and they trick almost everyone.

If a religion does not follow the doctrine of Christ, that is in the bible. It is a false religion. Any religion. I want to warn people not to be snared, and research all the doctrine of your church and cross reference it to the bible. Than do you see the truth. You see the snare.


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Down with the trinity!---Amen.
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Originally Posted by Logicalthinker View Post
Sir. Isaac Newton: The smartest human, other than Jesus, to ever live and one of the worlds greatest theologians says the doctrine of the trinity is an apostate and blasphemous. He studied it for years and traced it back to it's beginnings.


The smartest human other than Jesus?
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Originally Posted by Jessica01 View Post
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On this I agree, to say he is the smartest man in the world is a bit much.
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I believe Yeshua said this about the trinity.

Matthew 24:5
For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.
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On this I agree, to say he is the smartest man in the world is a bit much.
I would have to say the (smartest) wisest man ever to live next to Jesus was King Solomon.


(1 Kings 4:30-31) . . .And Solīo∑monís wisdom was vaster than the wisdom of all the Orientals and than all the wisdom of Egypt. And he was wiser than any other man,. . .

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I'd hesitate to use the gospel of John to argue against Trinitarian doctrine. That's the main source Athanasius used to undermine Arius. It's especially evident in John 1 wherein the Word is identified as God, Himself. Incidentally, as to any reference that uses the term "God" and means the first Person is addressed in this passage. We Trinitarians generally accept that this is appropriate language and it's part of Trinitarian doctrine.

Also, that the doctrine of the Trinity was confirmed at Constantinople is true insofar as it goes. But Trinitarianism, even if that word wasn't used until Tertullian, really is pretty orthodox. Arius didn't argue that he had tradition on his side. His main contention was that Trinitarianism was so incoherent that it would likely slip into Sabellianism.
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You know Isaac Newton. Law of Gravity, Motion, invented calculus. His calulations for orbiting objects are still used by NASA. Plus alchemy, theology, and physics. With out the tools he created: Einstein and Hawkins might just be figuring out calculus.

If you need more info the internet is abound with it on Isaac Newton.

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Originally Posted by LightBearer View Post
I would have to say the (smartest) wisest man ever to live next to Jesus was King Solomon.


(1 Kings 4:30-31) . . .And Solīo∑monís wisdom was vaster than the wisdom of all the Orientals and than all the wisdom of Egypt. And he was wiser than any other man,. . .

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Ha. Your right. I never thought of Solomon.

Well let's just say that Isaac Newton was a very sharp tool in the tool shed.

Thank you Brother.
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I'd hesitate to use the gospel of John to argue against Trinitarian doctrine. That's the main source Athanasius used to undermine Arius. It's especially evident in John 1 wherein the Word is identified as God, Himself. Incidentally, as to any reference that uses the term "God" and means the first Person is addressed in this passage. We Trinitarians generally accept that this is appropriate language and it's part of Trinitarian doctrine.
Everyone only uses the first few verses of John 1. But as I pointed out if you keep reading in John 1:18 says no one has seen God.

So is man wrong?
Or is the bible wrong?

Who made the trinity doctrine?

Plus is John lying about no one seeing God?

Originally Posted by Willtor View Post
Also, that the doctrine of the Trinity was confirmed at Constantinople is true insofar as it goes. But Trinitarianism, even if that word wasn't used until Tertullian, really is pretty orthodox. Arius didn't argue that he had tradition on his side. His main contention was that Trinitarianism was so incoherent that it would likely slip into Sabellianism.

Did God confirm the doctrine?
Was he or an angel present in Constantinople to confirm this?

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