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9th June 2007, 12:07 PM
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There is a belief that in the last days there will be a shaking within the SDA church. Some say it's God weeding out all those who are not truely Advestist. Did you ever think that maybe the shaking is God finally bringing people out of heavy bondage and legalism to the freedom which is in Christ.
Romans 10:1-3 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Have we come to a point where we are manufacturing our own rightousness with all the extra rules?
Thou shall not visit a movie theater.
Thou shall not wear jewelry.
Thou shall not drink fermented wine.
Thou shall not listen to jazz music.
Thou shall not eat white sugar.
Thou shall not drink coffee.
This is begining to sound like a pharisaical religious system of adding to the righteousness of Christ. These things are unbiblical weights of burden. I agree that it is good to eat healthy but we can get carried away and begin to strain at gnats.
1 Corinthians 6:13 Foods for the stomach and the stomach for foods, but God will destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.
People are begining to realize the heavy burdens of don't eat, don't touch and don't look. This is the Spirit's job, not man's.
1 John 3:19-21 And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him. For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things. Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God.  |
9th June 2007, 02:03 PM
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9th June 2007, 02:31 PM
| | | | Maco, I'm just curious why smoking isn't on your list.
Our church doesn't condone it, for the obvious reasons, but I'm curious if you do. Do you think it's legalistic not to smoke?
Also, is it legalistic not to do drugs?
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9th June 2007, 02:46 PM
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It's all or nothing. You want to receive the pardon or justification but without wanting to be sanctified. That's like you want to marry a woman but you are not willing cut ties with your ex-girlfriends.
Freedom is not free without responsibilities (duties)!
Your definition of freedom is godlessness. Give me what I want but don't tell me what to do. Is that true christianity?
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9th June 2007, 03:03 PM
| | | Originally Posted by OntheDL  How much can you get away with without getting caught? That's legalistic!
It's all or nothing. You want to receive the pardon or justification but without wanting to be sanctified. That's like you want to marry a woman but you are not willing cut ties with your ex-girlfriends.
Freedom is not free without responsibilities (duties)!
Your definition of freedom is godlessness. Give me what I want but don't tell me what to do. Is that true christianity?
I agree. Wanting your cake while eating it too is legalistic. It's also when you do something yourself and then condemn the other guy for doing the same thing.
I just find it odd that everything on Maco's list is self-serving. Does wearing jewelry glorify God in any way? Does having a gold cross around your neck somehow MAKE you a Christian or ward off evil? (That was rhetorical).
Does drinking coffee glorify God in any way, or does it just cause polyps in your colon? (Rhetorical again).
It takes a very short time to become addicted to caffeine, and it causes one hummer of a headache when you quit drinking/eating it.
All of those things are things that don't glorify God, so to me it's really a non-issue honestly.
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Everyone wants a Savior, but not everyone seems to want a LORD.
If My people, which are called by My name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. |
9th June 2007, 03:04 PM
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Everyone wants a Savior, but not everyone seems to want a LORD.
If My people, which are called by My name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. |
9th June 2007, 03:12 PM
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Reps: 163 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by TrustAndObey Maco, I'm just curious why smoking isn't on your list.
Our church doesn't condone it, for the obvious reasons, but I'm curious if you do. Do you think it's legalistic not to smoke?
Also, is it legalistic not to do drugs?
Oh yah smoking, I must have forgotten... 
If you want to know, I don't smoke nor do I drink alcohol.
Smoking is between God and the one smoking. We can say its not good to smoke and that it can shorten life but I know people who have smoked for years and are at a ripe old age with no health problems due to smoking. So that argument doesn't work for them. Smoking is a sin if the person believes it's a sin or if its causing health problems. |
9th June 2007, 03:33 PM
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Reps: 163 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by OntheDL How much can you get away with without getting caught? That's legalistic!
It's all or nothing. You want to receive the pardon or justification but without wanting to be sanctified. That's like you want to marry a woman but you are not willing cut ties with your ex-girlfriends.
Freedom is not free without responsibilities (duties)!
Your definition of freedom is godlessness. Give me what I want but don't tell me what to do. Is that true christianity?
Now who in the world told you that the definition of legalism is how mush you can get away with without getting caught?
Legalism refers to a rigid adherence to self-imposed and prescribed beliefs and rules that are not concretely established in God’s Word, which result in hard and fast judgments and actions regarding any person or organization that does not comply with such beliefs and rules.
The sins that God sanctifies us from is not the sin of white sugar or a glass of wine or a nacklace or coffee and yes I'm going to say it, not the theater. The things that God is sanctifying us from is found in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. To add coffee, cream and sugar to this list is legalism.
If one chooses to drink coffee, smoke a ciggarette or two, have a glass of wine, wear a ring, listen to jazz, go to a movie, have a candy bar they surely won't be kicked out of the kingdom of God unless of course an Adventist is at the pearly gates.
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9th June 2007, 04:40 PM
| | | Originally Posted by maco Oh yah smoking, I must have forgotten...
If you want to know, I don't smoke nor do I drink alcohol.
Smoking is between God and the one smoking. We can say its not good to smoke and that it can shorten life but I know people who have smoked for years and are at a ripe old age with no health problems due to smoking. So that argument doesn't work for them. Smoking is a sin if the person believes it's a sin or if its causing health problems.
So it's only a sin if it causes health problems?
Health problems related to smoking don't happen right away, but I'm sure you know that already. What if you've smoked for 98 years, but lung cancer causes your death? Was it a sin the whole time, or just once you found out that it caused cancer?
My friend oldsage would tell you that there's scriptural support for smoking, and that the bible even gives the name of the approved brand (jokingly of course).
Genesis 24:64 And Rebekah lifted up her eyes, and when she saw Isaac, she lighted off the camel. 
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Everyone wants a Savior, but not everyone seems to want a LORD.
If My people, which are called by My name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. |
9th June 2007, 04:47 PM
| | | | You didn't answer my question about drugs.
Is it okay to shoot up heroine occasionally as long as you're not addicted?
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Everyone wants a Savior, but not everyone seems to want a LORD.
If My people, which are called by My name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. | | |
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