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4th September 2003, 02:32 PM
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4th September 2003, 02:35 PM
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Reps: 224,390 (power: 259) | | Originally Posted by Diatrive Actually it does. It is violates the first amendment.
Oh boy, here we go again. How does it violate the first amendment?
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4th September 2003, 02:36 PM
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Reps: 14,933 (power: 32) | | Originally Posted by nyj (and the phrase "In God We Trust" does not infringe on your rights) then it should be considered legal.
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The constitution does not give the US or state governments the right to make religious proclamations. In fact it prohibits them from doing that. That right is reseved for the people. For the government to do it does infringe my rights. |
4th September 2003, 02:38 PM
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Reps: 14,933 (power: 32) | | Originally Posted by lucky_topher if you don't trust in any god, who do you trust in?
Depends on how strong the trust must be. But in general I trust that reality is real.
If you want a more detailed answer you'll need to better define the question. |
4th September 2003, 02:40 PM
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Reps: 14,933 (power: 32) | | Originally Posted by nyj Oh boy, here we go again. How does it violate the first amendment?
We have been though this multiple times and around in circles. You refuse to accept supreme Court decisions on issues related to the constitution. I have no idea where else to take that conversation. |
4th September 2003, 02:42 PM
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Reps: 224,390 (power: 259) | | Originally Posted by crazyfingers The constitution does not give the US or state governments the right to make religious proclamations.
The constitution prevents the US or state governments from establishing a state religion, it does not prevent them from making religious proclamations. Originally Posted by crazyfingers For the government to do it does infringe my rights.
So having "In God We Trust" on the money hurts you in some way?
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4th September 2003, 02:43 PM
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Reps: 224,390 (power: 259) | | Originally Posted by crazyfingers We have been though this multiple times and around in circles. You refuse to accept supreme Court decisions on issues related to the constitution. I have no idea where else to take that conversation.
Well, since "In God We Trust" is still on the dollar bill, I'm going to consider the fact that it's still legal.
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4th September 2003, 02:49 PM
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Reps: 14,933 (power: 32) | | Originally Posted by nyj The constitution prevents the US or state governments from establishing a state religion, it does not prevent them from making religious proclamations.
That is not what the supreme court has ruled and that is not what the author of the 1st amendment said. That evidence has been provided to you in the past and you simply do not accept the supreme court's decison or James Madison's opinion on the meaning of the first amendment.
That's your right but the fact remains that according to established consititional law, the government does not have the right to make religious proclamations and the 1st amendment does extend far beyond the simple restriction on establishing a state church.
You simply disagree with the supreme court.
So having "In God We Trust" on the money hurts you in some way?
Yes. It tells me that according to my government I am wrong on issues of religion. The government has no right to say that to me. |
4th September 2003, 02:50 PM
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Reps: 14,933 (power: 32) | | Originally Posted by nyj Well, since "In God We Trust" is still on the dollar bill, I'm going to consider the fact that it's still legal.
The question is whether the law that put it there is constitutinal. |
4th September 2003, 02:54 PM
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Reps: 18 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by lucky_topher if you don't trust in any god, who do you trust in?
That question is misleading.
The way you intended that question posits that if you do not trust in god than there must be another option of equal characteristics ( omnipotent ) to choose.
So, to answer your question, I do not think there is anything of that nature in existence. So a trust of that nature does not exist at all.
To take it a step further and out of context, I think that the nature of reality itself is relative to the individual percieving it.
But for a basic answer, I agree with Crazyfingers. | | |
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