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4th September 2003, 12:34 PM
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Reps: 14,933 (power: 32) | | Originally Posted by nyj You didn't answer his question. What do you do about the fact that money has the phrase "In God We Trust" on it?
I thought that his question was retorical given that I have already said that I prefer to mark it out.
If it's printed, by the government, on our money, what's the harm of having the same exact phrase hanging up in the Post Office?
Both are morally wrong and unconstitutional in my opinion. Two wrongs don't make a right. How does one infringe on your rights, and the other not?
It is mine, as well as well as every US citizens right to expect that the government will not push one religious point of view over another.
The government ahs no such right.
Do you think that it would be perfectly OK for the government to start printing "In Allah we Trust" on all the money? |
4th September 2003, 12:38 PM
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Reps: 224,390 (power: 259) | | Originally Posted by crazyfingers Do you think that it would be perfectly OK for the government to start printing "In Allah we Trust" on all the money?
"In God We Trust" does not necessarily have to refer to just the Christian God. Or, are you implying that the US government relies on Christian morality to administer things?
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4th September 2003, 12:41 PM
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Reps: 18 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by nyj "In God We Trust" does not necessarily have to refer to just the Christian God. Or, are you implying that the US government relies on Christian morality to administer things?
Okay, what about "we trust in no god"? |
4th September 2003, 12:43 PM
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Reps: 224,390 (power: 259) | | Originally Posted by Diatrive Okay, what about "we trust in no god"?
What about it?
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4th September 2003, 12:44 PM
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Reps: 11,837,493 (power: 11,850) | | | You mean to tell me that people actually take the time to mark this off of every one of their bills????
Talk about thaving too much time on your hands.
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4th September 2003, 12:55 PM
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Reps: 18 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by nyj What about it?
It changes the nature of the question, would you be happy with this on your bills?
Your question assumed it would be alright as "everyone" was represented for because "god" was an ambiguous term refering to any higher power. What about people who do not believe in any higher power? |
4th September 2003, 12:56 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | | "In God We Trust" is not promoting anything.
It is just a statement of fact just like saying "We play baseball". |
4th September 2003, 12:59 PM
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Reps: 18 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Knight You mean to tell me that people actually take the time to mark this off of every one of their bills????
Talk about thaving too much time on your hands.
Here are some other Mark Twain quotes for you.
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true."
"'In God We Trust.' I don't believe it would sound any better if it were true."
"It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand."
"Religion consists in a set of things which the average man thinks he believes and wishes he was certain of."
"There is no other life; life itself is only a vision and a dream for nothing exists but space and you. If there was an all-powerful God, he would have made all good, and no bad." [Mark Twain in Eruption]
"Our Bible reveals to us the character of our god with minute and remorseless exactness... It is perhaps the most damnatory biography that exists in print anywhere. It makes Nero an angel of light and leading by contrast" [Reflections on Religion, 1906]
"O Lord our God, help us tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it..." ["The War Prayer"]
"[The Bible is] a mass of fables and traditions, mere mythology." ["Mark Twain and the Bible"]
"Man is a marvelous curiosity ... he thinks he is the Creator's pet ... he even believes the Creator loves him; has a passion for him; sits up nights to admire him; yes and watch over him and keep him out of trouble. He prays to
him and thinks He listens. Isn't it a quaint idea." [Letters from the Earth]
"If there is a God, he is a malign thug."
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4th September 2003, 01:01 PM
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Reps: 18 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by imason2 "In God We Trust" is not promoting anything.
It is just a statement of fact just like saying "We play baseball".
Okay, ignoring the obvious semantics argument, what if I don't play baseball?
Do I not live here? or is the statement false? |
4th September 2003, 01:01 PM
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Reps: 11,837,493 (power: 11,850) | | Originally Posted by Diatrive Here are some other Mark Twain quotes for you.
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true."
"'In God We Trust.' I don't believe it would sound any better if it were true."
"It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand."
"Religion consists in a set of things which the average man thinks he believes and wishes he was certain of."
"There is no other life; life itself is only a vision and a dream for nothing exists but space and you. If there was an all-powerful God, he would have made all good, and no bad." [Mark Twain in Eruption]
"Our Bible reveals to us the character of our god with minute and remorseless exactness... It is perhaps the most damnatory biography that exists in print anywhere. It makes Nero an angel of light and leading by contrast" [Reflections on Religion, 1906]
"O Lord our God, help us tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it..." ["The War Prayer"]
"[The Bible is] a mass of fables and traditions, mere mythology." ["Mark Twain and the Bible"]
"Man is a marvelous curiosity ... he thinks he is the Creator's pet ... he even believes the Creator loves him; has a passion for him; sits up nights to admire him; yes and watch over him and keep him out of trouble. He prays to
him and thinks He listens. Isn't it a quaint idea." [Letters from the Earth]
"If there is a God, he is a malign thug."
Mr. Clemens was once asked whether he feared death. He said that he did not, in view of the fact that he had been dead for billions and billions of years before he was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.
So?????
I fail to see how this is relevant to the subject at hand.
I happen to like some of Mark Twain's quotes. This does not mean that I agree with him on everything.
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