The 666 Heavenly Man Explained As A Triune Mystery Set

Terral · #1 6th June 2007, 06:39 AM

Greetings To All:

This post (#62) on Mark's "Dispensational Nonsense" Thread ( http://www.christianforums.com/t5136814&page=7 ) began a line of questioning that took us far from his topic, so this thread has been created to address those concerns. You are being exposed to the concepts of "Triune Mystery Sets" and their component "spirit, blood and water" witnesses used by God from Genesis to Revelation. The Post Numbers are references to posts in Marke's thread, just in case anyone gets confused. :0)

My original response to Please's '666 Challenge' is here:

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Please (#59) >> Terrel, no one asked you follow me and 'clean up' behind me. Actually, nothing I have said disagrees with Scripture. It might disagree with your patchwork quilt and 'insights' into Scripture, but not with Scripture itself.

All of that is a matter of opinion. You and I ‘interpret’ the same verses differently like many professing Christians actively participating in these deliberations all over this fine Board. The idea is to debate ‘the topic’ in the presentation of our opposing views. The remainder of your personal love letter to Notrash (#59) fits the ‘nonsense’ part of the Topic Title, IMHO. One ‘e’ in Terral BTW.

Please (#60) >> We could put five different scholars from five different Christian denominations in the same room and they would all have their own interpretation of the very scriptures that Terrel pieces together.

Thank you for making the point in my reply to your comments atop Post #59. You give yours and I will do the same and everyone can make up their own minds. That is the basic maxim upon which this Christian Board was founded. If your arguments cannot be supported by Scripture, then please consider adopting a series of new ones that can . . . I see a challenge brewing. :0)

Please >> If Terrel has some great insight/wisdom, then I ask him to calculate the number of the beast. Revelation 13:18: This calls for wisdom. IF ANYONE HAS INSIGHT, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666. Do you have insight, Terrel? Now, I've heard a load of dissertations on it, but let's hear yours.

I am happy to provide you with the right answer, but there is no guarantee the essence of this truth will remain in you. The problem is that even if the ‘son of man’ (this universe in one man) came down and told you himself, then you would consider that just one opinion among thousands. Right? If you can ask the question, then perhaps you are ready to receive the answer; even if this is beyond the context of this topic:

The number of the beast is calculated by adding the members of Satan’s body (spirit witnesses) and those of the antichrist (blood witnesses) to those of the false prophet (water witnesses) and those “three are into the one” (1Jn 5:8) exactly like the Father (spirit), Son (blood) and Holy Spirit (water). There was a 111 heavenly man that ruled in the time of Genesis 1:2 to the start of the second day and a 222 triune heavenly man that ruled during the third day and so on. Right now the ‘666’ heavenly man of ‘this darkness’ (Eph. 6:12) is ruling from the heavenly places of this broken universe, during this ‘seventh day’ that began in Genesis 2:1-4. The diagram looks something like this:

This is diagram number 71 of 80, so you do not have the benefit of seeing the 70 coming before this one ( http://www.divshare.com/download/720180-3d0 ). The “Man of God” is ‘triune’ with the ‘number of a man’ which just happens to be ‘six’ also. How does God come up with ‘six’ as the number of ‘a man?’ You add the numbers 1 (spirit witness) and 2 (blood witness) and 3 (water witness) to get 6 for ‘all’ the three witness mystery sets. God’s three witnesses are standing in His Infinite Realm (Rev. 1:8), while the three witnesses of The Word (F+S+HS = Matt. 28:19) are standing between God and men (1Tim. 2:5), as the “Heavenly Man Christ Jesus” on the right side of the diagram. Under His Title, you see the “777” man being prepared for the heavenly places for the coming “eighth day” that begins in Revelation 21:1 with the new creation. Until then, the “666” heavenly man, over on the left hand side, remains in power in “heaven” of our creation on this side of the “First Veil.” The “Body of Satan” is the ‘spirit witness’ of the “666” Evil Heaven Man like the “Body of Elijah” is on the other side of the equation. The “Body of the Antichrist” corresponds directly to the ‘Body of Christ’ (Eph. 4:12 = that’s us) with authority in the ‘center of the throne’ (Rev. 7:17) “IN” the Lamb Himself. Peter and everyone obeying the ‘Gospel of the Kingdom’ AND enduring to the end (Matt. 24:13) are positioned on the ‘sea of glass’ (Rev. 4:6 = blue 7) “before the throne” (Rev. 7:14) in the “Body of Moses” (Jude 1:9) with everyone baptized (1Cor. 10:1-4) into his body.

These two administrative hubs (666 evil man and 777 new man) represent ‘hearts’ for this currently broken universe, which is truly only ‘one’ of God’s sons (Adam) held together “IN” Christ (Col. 1:16+17). That’s right – the ‘heavens’ are Adam’s broken ‘spirit,’ while the earth (Eve) is Adam’s broken body (water witness) and ‘heaven’ (Gen. 1:8) is Adam’s soul (blood witness) being restored. Satan’s evil “666” heavenly man represents a ‘heart of stone,’ as those evil forces of this darkness are indeed “passing away” (1Cor. 2:6-8). New Jerusalem coming with the New Creation (Rev. 21:1+) is Adam’s new heart centered in heaven within his very soul. Let’s look at a Tabernacle View of the three realms from the right side of the diagram:

This might be difficult for many to accept, but here goes: Jesus Christ is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit incarnate on the earth, while “Christ Jesus” into whom He is now seated (Eph. 2:6) is the entire Heavenly Man (1Tim. 2:5) containing this entire universe holding Adam together. If you can accept it (Matt. 11:14 where Christ says the same thing), John the Baptist is Elijah who is “more than a prophet” (Matt. 11:9). This “man from God” (John 1:6) is our father Adam representing this entire universe (heavens + heaven + earth) as one ‘man’ (1+2+3 = 6). Jesus Christ is the “Lord God” of Genesis 2 who formed His “son of God” (Luke 3:38) in Genesis 2:7 using His own two hands, so he (Adam, Elijah, David, John the Baptist) could be the 'earthly Messiah' like He (Christ) is the 'Heavenly Messiah' (F+S+HS). That is why Christ said the Prophets and the Law prophesied until JOHN (Matt. 11:13) and why this man in soft skins belonged in “kings palaces!” Matt. 11:8. This is also why John the Baptist (our father Adam) said “No!” to being Elijah (John 1:21), because he was ‘more’ than just a prophet representing this entire universe in one ‘man from God.’ This is why Ezekiel prophesies that “David” will be prince (Eze. 34:23-25) for a time (coming 1000 Years Day of the Lord) and the ‘king’ forever (Eze. 37:24-28) in the new creation of Revelation 21:1, because even David is yet another ‘skin’ (Gen. 3:21) for our father Adam. Christ is The Prophet, Priest and King in “Heaven” (Isa. 66:1), while Adam is the prophet (Elijah), priest (John the Baptist) and king (David) in the “kingdom on earth AS IT IS in heaven” (Matt. 6:10). And THAT is why Christ said His kingdom is not of this world, or even of this realm (John 18:36). Christ Jesus (F+S+HS as one “man”) actually contains this universe like this:

While the diagram above is a ‘Tabernacle View’ laid out in a linear fashion like the Temple, this diagram shows how this ‘triune’ creation is actually a ‘living organism’ with a spirit (God’s Infinite Realm) and a soul (Realm of the Word = F+S+HS = Christ Jesus) and a living ‘body’ (This Creation = heavens, heaven and earth). Jesus Christ in the flesh is the ‘incarnation’ of the F+S+HS (The Word = John 1:2), while John the Baptist (Adam) is our broken universe as the triune man from God. The ‘666’ evil heavenly man of Satan, the Beast and False Prophet has been cast down from God’s Infinite Realm and down into Heaven (Gen. 1:1 = 'Eth Shamayim = Word Realm = 'highest heaven' of 1Kings 8:27) where the Dragon battled Michael the Archangel to find himself trapped here inside Adam’s broken body. The evil ‘666’ heavenly man will also incarnate onto this earth (like Christ 2000 years ago), as the “son of destruction” (2Thes. 2:3+4 = Beast of Rev. 13) coming to stand in the ‘holy place’ (blood witness of the Temple) in Matthew 24:15 (sets up 'abomination of desolation' Dan. 11:31, 12:11-13) very near the ‘end of the age.’ Satan and his false prophet will also be incarnate with him and together they will ‘cut off’ the Messiah (Dan. 9:26) who will be ‘David’ (Eze. 34:23-25) as yet another incarnation of this entire universe in one ‘man from God.’ Only after the final judgment (Rev. 20:11-15) will Adam be restored as king (David = Eze. 37:24-28) with the new ‘777’ Heavenly Man (New Jerusalem) becoming the new heart of This Creation. In that day Adam will again be restored as the ‘earthly Messiah’ and everyone in this universe will be the members of his body being restored. :0)

Please >> Point being, what you would give would simply be your opinion, as is the rest of what you say. I can back up any cockamaie doctrine with Scripture, simply by piecing it together, as you do, from here and there and everywhere.

Heh . . . If volumes were handed you giving all of this in infinite detail by the ‘son of man’ himself using Scripture, then you would classify that as just another opinion like the Pharisees did to John the Baptist and Christ. Right? Of course. The wherewithal to build anything up correctly brick upon brick has never been equal to what is required to tear something down. John the Baptist spent his life with the Holy Spirit from the womb and Christ’s disciples asked to be taught to pray, “just as John also taught his disciples.” Luke 11:1. When Christ having “no sin” (2Cor. 5:21) began His ministry on this earth, then He required baptism by John the Baptist, “for ‘us’ to fulfill all righteousness” (Matt. 3:15). Who among men can write a paragraph on John’s sin using Scripture? Can you? And yet, for all he accomplished in his life, everything ended over a single dance by one woman (Matt. 14:8). Do not be amazed if you could do the same thing with even less effort than the daughter of Herodias simply to gratify her incestuous mother and a bunch of fat-bellied pigs. ;0)

My work is for those called and touched by God and everyone else is free to believe whatever pleases them.

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

Terral · #2 6th June 2007, 08:23 AM

Hi Please and Gaffer:

Please (#64) >> [Terral]John the Baptist spend his life with the Holy Spirit Not to follow your spelling corrections of my hasty typing, but that would be 'spent'. There may be more, I just happened to notice that one.

Thank you for removing the splinter from my eye sister. :0)

Please >> Come on, let's stop laying Hal Lindsay and John Hagee here and admit that no one has a complete handle on Scripture. Or, do you really believe you do?

Do you want complete honesty or a mouthful of humble pie? To answer your question accurately, you must bear with a little foolishness and some boasting to boot. :0) My handle on Scripture surpasses that of Lindsay, Hagee, Graham, Van Impe, Stone and Stanley combined. Can you find commentary on the three witnesses of Scripture (spirit, blood and water = 1Jn 5:6-8) from any of those guys? No sir. All of these so-called Bible experts see the “1000 Years” (2Peter 3:8) “Day of the Lord” (2Peter 3:10) as an ‘event,’ instead of as a ‘times and epochs’ (1Thes. 5:1+2) period where the Kingdom is restored to Israel (Acts 1:6-7) by Elijah coming to restore all things (Matt. 17:10-11). All of their Bibles are ‘Two Testaments,’ while mine is “Living and Active” (Heb. 4:12) as three witnesses of spirit (OT), water (Kingdom NT) and blood (Pauline Epistles). Who among all of these professing Bible experts has taught you that Scripture is three witnesses laid out precisely according to the pattern of the Tabernacle Of Moses and the Temple? They all need to be held by the hand and led into these things too. :0)

Please >> I'm trying to keep an open mind about where you're coming from, even get past the 'welcoming insults'.

Your ‘grandstanding’ style is salty to say the least . . .

Please (#65) >> And that would be 'playing' nor 'laying'.... And after your take on 666, I'm convinced that you have spent too much time trying to 'read in' to Scripture what simply was never intended to be read in.

There is no ‘laying’ in Post #62. Your opinion here really does not mean anything missy. “Quote >>” anything that appears errant and offer your opposing views using Scripture (2Tim. 2:15) and stop ‘playing’ around. All that any of us has is ‘seeds’ and God must cause the growth (1Cor. 3:6-7). The seed was just planted yesterday and you are already looking for the harvest. :0)

(#66) >> Gaffer, Please address which you wish for me to address. Terrel is not wrong in every aspect. Thus which are you refering to? Is it his 7 points of differences between 2 gospels?

Please’s Reply >> There is always some 'truth' in error and some straight spots in a twisted rope. That's what keeps people confused and intimidated, isn't it? That's how leaders like Jim Jones and others are able to captivate their audiences; by making them feel as if they somehow have some 'deep truth' no one else is getting unless that person is also really 'tuned in'.

Jim Jones? What you refer to as ‘insults’ above are reactions to your NONSENSE and tendency towards being a mouthy busybody! Enough of the underhanded demonizing trickery! You asked a “666” question and received a comprehensive reply. If anything appears out of place, then you are welcome to present your opposing interpretations using Scripture. Every registered member to this fine Board is allowed to present ‘their view’ of things from ‘their own’ perspective without being compared to the likes of Jim Jones! You give yours and I will do the same and everyone here can decide for themselves. 1Cor. 11:19. Your attempts at character assassination say much more about you than anyone here . . .

Please >> The truth is, the truth doesn't have to be charted, graphed, given code letters, etc. Remember the 'code phase' on some of the Christian religious outlets? Counting off every so many letters in order to make words that supposedly showed Hitler, the Holocaust, ad infinitum? Laughable, really.

When does Ms. Please here actually begin addressing something that ‘was’ presented in the Opening Post of this thread (Post 62 in Marke’s thread)? Hmmmm?? Now she is rambling aimlessly about Hitler and the Holocaust! God’s true Bible Code ( http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=9135 ) is bound up in the ‘relationships’ between all of the three witness mystery sets. Here is a sampling of what we are talking about:

The second chart appears at the bottom of the post at the link provided above. The left-hand column (Three Witnesses Of) lists the ‘Singularity Expressions” for which the three witness set is testifying. God’s True Essence is revealed in the relationships between His Love, His Light and the Life begotten through that process. The Three Realms (God’s = spirit, Word’s = blood, Creation = water) were described in the Opening Post of this thread. God’s three witnesses (God To Come, God Who Is, God Who Was) appear with Him (The Almighty) in Revelation 1:8, while the three witnesses of The Word (F+S+HS) are given in Matthew 28:19. The ‘waters’ above the firmament are the heavens of this creation, while the waters below the firmament is the earth and ‘heaven’ (Gen. 1:8 = blood witness) is begotten by the overlapping of those two witnesses of spirit (heavens) and water (earth). The triune mystery sets are laid out ‘horizontally’ behind the Singularity Expressions, while the mystery ‘families’ appear in the same column all the way down the chart. Note very carefully the positioning of the Two Veils that not only divide the principals of each mystery set, but also combine all the family members (spirit, blood or water) together on either side of the two veils. Therefore, your own spirit (see Man family) is a spirit witness like the Father (of the Word), Elijah (Transfiguration host), Adam (Garden family) and man (image and glory of God = 1Cor. 11:7). When your Bible becomes Living AND Active (Heb. 4:12), then these witnesses will begin testifying about the other members in their own mystery set (the other two), while also giving testimony about the family members in their own particular family grouping (vertically on the charts). God is the Master at hiding His Hidden Wisdom in plain sight and these charts only begin to scratch the surface on a topic that is truly INFINITE. :0)

Please >> Just pick up your Bible without all the 'supplements' and read away. The Holy Spirit, we are promised, will teach us what it says. And no one has a corner on the Holy Spirit. He came to assist all believers.

How is the Holy Spirit in me (1Cor. 3:16, 6:19) going to help you see anything with those fingers jammed into those ears so very tightly? The ‘body of Christ’ has many members (1Cor. 12:12-14) with the eye (1Cor. 12:17), hand and foot (1Cor. 12:15) hearing and smelling represented. Why then does the foot or hand complain over what the eye has given them to see? Do you wish to represent yourself as the ‘eye’ leading the body? Great! Please include your diagrams and other visual aids in your next thoughtful reply.

Terral Original (#67) >> How does God come up with ‘six’ as the number of ‘a man?’ You add the numbers 1 (spirit witness) and 2 (blood witness) and 3 (water witness) to get 6 for ‘all’ the three witness mystery sets.

Please’s Reply >> And your Scripture proof for that is?

Of course. Do you have another answer to the Father (1) + the Son (2) + the Holy Spirit (3) = 6? The same rule applies for a man with a spirit (1), soul (2) and body (3) = 6, or the man (1), seed (2) and woman (3) being made in “Our Image” (Gen. 1:26-28) of a ‘man’ (6). This is why Christ Jesus (F+S+HS) is the Heavenly “man Christ Jesus” (1Tim. 2:5) and why calculating the number of the Beast (Rev. 13:18) is as easy as 1+2+3=6. The number 666 is calculated, because we are talking about ‘all’ of the members of their collective bodies. There is a ‘mystery of Christ’ (Eph. 3:4, Col. 4:3) into which believers are baptized into Christ (Gal. 3:27) AND an antithesis ‘mystery of iniquity’ (2Thes. 2:7) baptizing the ‘servants of righteousness’ (2Cor. 11:15) into an unholy counterpart. God’s numerology is bound up in the ‘relationships’ between all of these three witness mystery sets.

Terral Original >> How does God come up with ‘six’ as the number of ‘a man?’ You add the numbers 1 (spirit witness) and 2 (blood witness) and 3 (water witness) to get 6 for ‘all’ the three witness mystery sets.

Please >> Despite you speaking for God and explaining how He came up with this, I'd like to see some Scripture to back up that, indeed, He used this method?

My posts are filled with Scriptural references, diagrams, charts and the works, but your posts contain none. Bringing opinion to a Bible debate is like carrying a knife to a gunfight. :0) These concepts are being presented for the benefit of your ‘inner man’ (Rom. 7:22, 2Cor. 4:16, Eph. 3:16) who ‘does’ have the capacity to understand them, even if your fleshy nature never will. You need to learn the 1+2+3 lessons, before heading off into the Analytical Geometry aspects . . .

Please >> And the rest of the paragraph. Oh my. I've never seen Scripture so manipulated before.

Is this where you begin “quoting >>” from my work and actually offering opposing views to ANYTHING using Scripture? Please forgive, but whining and crying like a baby is doing nothing to correct anything in my testimony. You found some spelling errors. Great! Please help me out by actually writing on the topic . . .

Please grandstanding again >> I would URGE everyone who reads you to read the entire Bible through, at least several times (I've been through it probably over 10 times that), before accepting anything you say in this latest post. And read it with a Hebrew and Greek dictionary. And ask the Holy Spirit to make it plain to you.

What a joke! The woman cannot quote from my work or even use a single verse of Scripture in rebuttal to anything, but simply chants her “PleaseStudy” mantra like that is beneficial to anyone. Having read the Bible from cover to cover many times and the NT over a hundred times, nothing in my testimony above will be changed by going through everything again to please this woman. Paul said it well to the Jews who constantly followed him around to scoff and mock:

“Behold, you scoffers, and mock, and perish; for I am accomplishing a work in your days, a work which you will never believe, though someone (Terral) should describe it to you (even using pictures).” Acts 13:41 (my notes).

If you cannot ‘quote >>’ anything from the Opening Post and offer your advocating or opposing views using Scripture, then wisdom says to rein in your flapping tongue and appear wise. Proverbs 17:28. Jim Jones and Hitler . . . indeed . . . You have a lot of nerve missy, but little sense . . .

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

Terral · #3 6th June 2007, 12:29 PM

Hi Please:

Ms. Please here appears to be on a ‘flaming’ campaign in some attempt to lure me into saying something foolish. Her bad behavior is being tolerated, so others might benefit from my clarifying statements on this “666” and “three witness” and now "Lamb of God" topic. Remember these posts are taken from Marke’s “Dispensational Nonsense” Thread here ( http://www.christianforums.com/t5136814&page=7 ), so as not to derail his topic.

Terral Original (Post # 68) >> Who among men can write a paragraph on John’s sin using Scripture? Can you?

Please’s Reply >> Does it have to be a paragraph?

Yes! That includes a topic sentence with your claims, evidence and conclusion.

Please >> If not, here's one: "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God."

Are you citing ‘eternal truth’ or dispensation truth for those called by our gospel? Scripture teaches that angels are among us (Heb. 13:2), but do you include them in having sin? Christ had no sin (2Cor. 5:21) and yet walked this earth having the appearance as a man (Phil. 2:8). Do you include Him in your ‘all’ (pas) too? No sir. Where is Michael the Archangel’s sin? Gabriel’s? My point above is that John the Baptist is the only Bible principal (other than Christ of course = Luke 1:35) to be baptized with the Holy Spirit, while still in his mother’s womb. Luke 1:15. Scripture also says “. . . it is appointed for men to die once and after this the judgment.” Hebrews 9:27. Right or wrong? What about Enoch? Genesis Gen. 5:24? The point is that there are ‘rules’ and exceptions to those rules. If the Judgment takes place at the ‘end of the age’ (Rev. 20:11-15), then how is John the Baptist to die (Matt. 14:10) and be judged (Rev. 20:11-15) AND come again as Elijah (Matt. 17:10-11) to restore all things (Acts 3:19-26)? If John the Baptist is Elijah (Matt. 11:14) and died in Matthew 14:10, then what about his appearance with Christ and Moses at the Mount of Transfiguration (Matt. 17:1-8)? The answer is that Adam and Eve are ‘exceptions,’ as they have been appearing in different ‘skins’ (Gen. 3:21) from the very beginning. These are the two ‘only begottens’ of Scripture who were not born of women and had no belly button who the Lord God (Christ) has been dealing with throughout Scripture. This is why Christ called John the Baptist “Elijah who is to come” (Matt. 11:14), because he also would die and come again like the Son (Matt. 24:30-31).

Please >> "There is none righteous; no, not one."

Context! The Word became flesh and dwelt among us, so how can you say there is not even one? Paul is writing in context to the ‘unsaved’ Jews and Gentiles and the sons of Noah incarnate here from God’s Infinite Realm. He is not even talking about the members of Christ’s body imputed with “His Righteousness” (Rom. 1:17) by faith apart from works (Rom. 4:4-6). How do you declare the ‘sons of God’ are not righteous, when they have the very ‘Righteousness of God’ (Rom. 3:21-26, 10:1-4) from their Creator? If you are going to ignore context, then Scripture becomes your oracle to say ANYTHING YOU WISH. The difference is that my statements ‘are’ being supported by Scripture and you are welcome to point out any areas where you feel anything us being used improperly.

Please >> Not everything everyone in the Bible did in their lifetime is recorded in Scripture. However, 'all' is inclusive of everyone but Jesus, because about him, the Bible says: For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin (Heb. 4:15 NASB).

All is about ‘everyone’ contained in the ‘context’ of the author writing to his particular reading audience. Paul wrote to the Romans, saying,

“For all* who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified.” Romans 2:12-13.

The members of Christ’s body (1Cor. 12:27), for whom Christ died, have sinned without the Law, but will we ‘also perish without the Law?’ No! “All*” here must be ‘qualified’ from the true ‘context’ of the writer in application to the ‘topic’ to these Roman readers. We are standing in Romans 2 where Paul is addressing unsaved Gentiles and Jews under Mosaic Law. The deeper lesson is that John the Baptist is the ‘man from God’ (John 1:6) representing this entire universe. You see the Spirit moving over the face of the waters (Gen. 1:2) in the beginning AND John being baptized in his mother’s womb with the same “Spirit” (Luke 1:15). Genesis 1:1 reads with John 1:1-3 in describing ‘three witnesses’ (God, The Word = Heaven, Creation = Earth) coming out of the “ONE” (God). The ‘man’ (John 1:6) sent from God is the triune Earth (heavens, heaven and earth) of Genesis 1:6-8 with ‘heaven’ (Gen. 1:8) representing his only begotten ‘soul.’ I understand these things are difficult to visualize, but with time every word will be tested and shown to be 100 percent truth.

Please (#68) >> But John knew who Jesus was: Here is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

Who knows why John the Baptist called Jesus Christ the “Lamb of God” who takes away the sin of the ‘universe’ (kosmos)?? Consult all of your Bible experts and be prepared to hear the wrong answer. Most everyone here is willing to guess that John the Baptist is pointing to Calvary. Right? Of course. You are ALL WRONG and have been blinded by the bogus commentary of these modern day Pharisees and Sadducees. Has Christ died for anyone in John 1? No! The verb here (“takes” = airo #142) is given in the ‘present tense’ and not in the ‘future tense,’ as if Christ’s ‘identity’ is bound up in some future event. Paul describes “Jesus Christ and Him Crucified” (1Cor. 2:2) as God’s Hidden Wisdom (2Cor. 2:7) “kept secret” from Satan, the world powers of this darkness, the generations of men and all the ages! If John the Baptist were pointing to Calvary, then Satan would have known and never crucified the Lord of Glory (1Cor. 2:8). The reason Satan was fooled is because he already knows “Christ Jesus” as the “Lamb of God” IN HEAVEN in the ‘center of the throne’ (Rev. 7:17). Jesus Christ was “The Lamb of God” LONG before ever incarnating onto this planet having the appearance of a man (Phil. 2:8).

Here is another diagram showing the relationships between God (Fig. 1), The Word (Fig.2) and This Creation (Fig. 3). All the sons of Noah (type of Eve) are “gods” (Ps. 82:6, Jn 10:34) in God’s Infinite Realm over in Figure 1 where the Satanic Rebellion originally took place. THAT is where we are all already members of one another (like in Christ = Rom. 12:4+5) and Satan deceived myriads of God’s sons into helping him murder Adam! The concept of one of God’s sons dying made no sense to us, because we are all members of one another; but that is what made Satan’s deception so devious and wicked.

That entire Infinite Realm is where God and The Word are “ONE” (John 1:1) and the same thing, as ‘ALL’ of God’s sons were called to exist by God ‘through’ His Word. Adam was cruising along doing his ‘god’ thing and Satan deceived many into piercing him dead in two! That caused God to say "Hey Word (Christ), go over there and make Adam inside yourself ‘again.’" Figure 2 is The Word being “with God” (John 1:2), even though God and His Word are still one in Figure 1. Therefore, Jesus Christ is “The Word” (Fig.2) of “The WORD” (Fig. 1) called to incarnate and THEN recreate Adam (Fig. 3) “IN” Himself (Col. 1:16-17).

The Dragon fighting with Michael the Archangel (Rev. 12:3+4) is typical of the fight in God’s Infinite Realm that finds Satan cast down from the Mountain of God, which finds him ‘now’ thrown down into the ‘heaven’ (Eph. 6:12 = heavenly places) of Figure 3. Look carefully into Figure 3 and tell us what you see in the very center of the diagram in the ‘center of the throne?’ The ‘Lamb of God’ is the ‘incarnation’ of the entire Word Realm (F+S+HS) in ‘Heaven’ (Gen. 1:8) of our universe. Those of us “IN Christ Jesus” (Eph. 2:6) are seated in the heavenly places that are also “IN Christ Jesus” in Figure 2 AND that gives us membership “IN” His incarnation in Figure 3 “in this Adamic Universe.” Jesus Christ incarnated into ‘heaven’ as the “Lamb of God” LONG AGO, as the Lord God of Genesis 2:1+ who formed Adam with His own two hands. John the Baptist is pointing ‘up’ into ‘heaven’ (Fig. 3) and saying “This (Jesus Christ on earth) is the “Lamb of God” who takes away the sin (Satan and all his vermin) from this universe (his broken body). Why? Because all roads for the righteous in this universe lead directly into the "Lamb of God" and Satan's cronies are not being invited. :0)

Jesus Christ died for our sins and God raised Him above ‘ALL the heavens’ (of Fig. 3 = Eph. 4:10) to seat Him in the center of Figure 2 (the Word Realm) and in the “Highest Heaven” (1Kings 8:27 = Heaven of Genesis 1:1). However, the “Lamb of God” is still positioned in the ‘center of the throne’ (Rev. 7:17), as the ‘incarnation’ of “Christ Jesus” in this Adamic Universe. Christ Jesus incarnated as the “Lamb” into heaven (Fig. 3) AND THEN the Lamb of God incarnated onto our earth as Jesus Christ. Satan was tricked, because he thought Jesus Christ could be murdered like the “son of God” (Luke 3:38) Adam, as the “Lamb of God” remained very much in heaven. Satan had no clue that God would raise Christ from the dead AND all the members ‘baptized into Christ’ (Gal. 3:27) by obeying Paul’s ‘my gospel.’ All of that was part of ‘the mystery’ (Eph. 3:3) revealed AFTER the start of Acts 9. This explains how Christ was raised above all the heavens AND the “Lamb of God” is still seen by John in heaven of this creation throughout Revelation.

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

Terral · #4 6th June 2007, 02:20 PM

Hi Gaffer and Please:

Gaffer >> As for me, I believe he’s got it right.

Please’s Reply >> Then please explain it, Scripturally, to me, because I barely understand a word he said about 666 and how he got there. When you explain it, including how he came up with the reasoning behind how God calculates 6 out of the 1, 2, 3 addition formula he gave, please give me a scripture that shows where God gives us the formula for that calculation. That would be extremely helpful and you should have it, since you are solidly into Scripture basis for things.

First of all, “Scripture” is inspired by God (2Tim. 3:16-17) and Bible “commentary” is written by men. God’s Hidden Wisdom is for “the mature” (1Cor. 2:6) and “infants in Christ” (1Cor. 3:1+) have a lot of catching up to do. God’s first dealings with men, says,

“Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.” Genesis 1:26-27.

How many by the show of hands believe ‘God’ is talking about ‘Our Image’ as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit? In a large auditorium most of the hands would be pointing to the sky and every one of you would be dead wrong! These three witnesses are of “The Almighty” (Rev. 1:8), as “God To Come” (spirit = 1), “God Who Is” (blood = 2) and “God Who Was” (water = 3) and those “three are into the One” (1Jn 5:8), just like the Father (spirit), Son (blood) and Holy Spirit (water); as the three witnesses of “The Word” from Matthew 28:19. The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ is ‘working’ throughout the first six days of Creation (Gen. 1:1-31), until He rests “IN” His Son, as the “Lord God” (F+S+HS) of Genesis 2:1-4. The “Our Image” aspect passed to the human family was the man (spirit witness = 1), their seed (blood witness = 2) and woman (water witness = 3). That is why God calls them ‘man’ = “male and female,” which typifies the Father overshadowing the Holy Spirit (Luke 1:35) for the “Son” to become the “Only Begotten.”

God exists as “one” with His Word in His Infinite Realm, but the three witnesses (Rev. 1:8) were called to exist by their active participation in these works within the envelope of time and space. How does a finite container hold an INFINITE HOST? Everyone should realize that is very much impossible, which is why God had to send His Three Witnesses in the first place. To gather a better understanding of the ‘three witness’ mystery process, we must at some point go back to the beginning:

The seven Hebrew words of Genesis 1:1 represent a perfect and complete ‘triune’ creation in the relationship between God (golden sphere), The Word (red sphere) and This Creation (blue sphere), even though those three are into the one like this ( http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/18.jpg ). There were no such thing as angels or men during the perfect ages of Genesis 1:1, because all hosts were singularity expressions containing their spirit, blood and water witnesses together as the same thing. In other words, like the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, were the “Same Thing” ‘before the world was’ (John 17:5) as “The Word,” angels and men were also the ‘same thing’ created perfect and living forever. The ‘division’ of “The Earth” came about in the deluge of Genesis 1:2 where Satan totally destroyed and separated the spirit half (heavens) from the physical water witness half (earth). Watch what happens very carefully:

The “Earth” of Genesis 1:1 became the “heavens, heaven and earth” of Genesis 1:6-8, with Heaven (Gen. 1:1) becoming the Father, Son and Holy Spirit or the three witnesses (1Jn 5:7+8) of “The Word.” When Christ talks about “My Father who is IN HEAVEN” (Matt. 10:32+33, etc.), then the Son is describing the ‘spirit witness’ of “The Word” standing between the two veils as “Christ Jesus” (F+S+HS). Jesus Christ is the “Son of Man,” because He walked this earth as the ‘incarnation’ of this Heavenly Man (F+S+HS) with God “IN” Him (2Cor. 5:19). However, the incarnation of God (Rev. 21:3) among men is ‘also’ the “Son of Man” from God’s Infinite Realm, just like Adam (Gen. 2:7) is the “son of man” representing this universe as one man from God. Therefore, the original three witnesses (God, Word, Creation) became divided into their own three witness mystery sets with each color-coded accordingly. We can draw the same two overlapping circles and put ‘man’ in the spirit position and ‘woman’ in the water position and their seed between them in the ‘only begotten’ blood witness position to show how ‘they’ are created in God’s Own Image. :0). Please will say, “Where is the proof in Scripture?!” The Holy Spirit is the Father’s “Helper” (John 16:7) and Eve is Adam’s “helper” (Gen. 2:18-20), as ‘all’ water witnesses are ‘helpers’ to the spirit and blood witnesses. The spirit witnesses all have the number one assigned them, because in every case (one exception) they all came before the water and blood witnesses. I am offering an award for anyone who can point out the one exception. :0). The ‘water’ witness always comes second, like the Holy Spirit and Eve came from the side of the Father and Adam respectively; so the only begotten ‘blood witnesses’ (Son and seed) were called into being by their union. However, the first (water witness) is last and the last (blood witness) is first (ahead of the water witness), which is a common theme for ‘all’ of God’s three witness mystery sets. God’s numerology is as simple as ‘1, 2, 3,’ IF God has given you spiritual eyes to see, but the sons of disobedience will cast stones and refer to this entire body of wisdom as NONSENSE. :0)

Terral Original >> How does God come up with ‘six’ as the number of ‘a man?’ You add the numbers 1 (spirit witness) and 2 (blood witness) and 3 (water witness) to get 6 for ‘all’ the three witness mystery sets.

Please >> In my study, I missed where God said you add 1 and 2 and 3 and come up with six. It works; I just don't remember Him giving that formula. You can also add 4 and 2, or 3 and 3, 1 and 5, or subtract 6 from 12, divide 12 by 2, or multiple 2 times 3.

I did not discover the simple addition method first to then carry that to the three witnesses of Scripture. In fact, I worked with the mystery sets for twenty years before that simple truth became self-evident. When you begin to understand ‘The Mystery’ (Eph. 3:3) as a summing up process (Eph. 1:9-10, heavens = spirit witness, earth = water witness), then the numerology aspects will begin making more sense also. The fact that makes God’s Hidden Wisdom so special is that ‘these things’ (2Peter 3:14-16) are hidden in plain sight. :0)

Please >> Maybe the formula is really Adam and Eve (2) times 'the Trinity (3) equals 6, plus 1 (John the Baptist) equals 7, the 'perfect number'? At any rate, all I'm asking, gaffer, if for you to break it all down (Terral's graphs and opinions) and show me the Scripture that supports it.

How do you expect someone just exposed to my work to offer up any explanation for anything? The chances are that the seeds being sown here will find the good soil of a fertile heart inside Gaffer, while the same seeds will bounce off your heart of stone. God is still responsible for causing the growth (1Cor. 3:6+7) in a process that would not even exist if all of this were so very simple. I can see these things by His Spirit clear as day, but in years past that was not such an easy task. However, this I can guarantee you and everyone here – that the day is coming when all of God’s sons and every host of this creation will read and understand His Living Word through His three witnesses. THAT is what God has intended from the beginning and the way things shall be in the near future. The ‘god of this world’ (2Cor. 4:3-4) has blinded the masses using the ‘deluding influence’ (2Thes. 2:11), according to the ‘mystery of iniquity’ (2Thes. 2:7+) and Denominationalism; that has filled your heads to the brim with nonsense from the vain speculations of men. However, once the heart is restored through proper instruction into the three witnesses of Scripture, then your Bible becomes alive and a Spring overflowing with the abundance of life-giving sustenance from the hand of God Himself.

Please >> Here's an example: [Terral] In that day Adam will again be restored as the ‘earthly Messiah’ and everyone in this universe will be the members of his body being restored. From [For?] you, gaffer: Clear chapter and verse for this please, showing Adam was ever the earthly Messiah and that everyone in this universe will be members of his body being restored (even though the quotation marks tend to show the author is giving himself some rope).

Adam was formed by the hand of the Lord God (Christ) in Genesis 2:7 with Eve and everyone here “IN” Him. However, that does not account for ‘all’ (one of your favorite terms) here:

“For as “IN” Adam ‘ALL’ die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.” 1Corinthians 15:22.

If ‘all’ die in Adam, then what about all the sixth day people created in Genesis 1:26-28? How did they ‘die’ in Adam? What about the prehistoric men from the geological record? The answer is that ‘all’ were the members of Adam’s body way back in Genesis 1:1 as “the Earth,” which has been explained already. “All died IN Adam,” when the waters were separated from the waters (Gen. 1:6-8) LONG before they were ‘recreated’ as the men and woman of Genesis 1:26-27. This universe is an ‘incarnation’ of Adam from God’s Infinite Realm AND Adam (Genesis 2:7) is the ‘incarnation’ of this entire universe as ‘one man from God.’ The key here is that all of those part of Adam’s Incarnation (Gen. 2:7) are incarnate ‘gods’ (Ps 82:6, Jn 10:34) from God’s Infinite Realm; either here for Judgment (your seed) for murdering Adam, OR many who were simply deceived and went out to deceive (her seed). In short: The Aborigine and Indian peoples (sixth day races) are the members of Adam’s broken body, while the sons of Noah are ‘gods’ from God’s Infinite Realm here to be judged for murdering them. The native peoples died “IN” Adam with this Creation, while the ‘gods’ incarnate here ‘died,’ when Eve was taken from Adam’s side (singularity expression became the three witnesses). Satan’s seed entered the picture through the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, which is why they spring up from anywhere at random in Noah’s children today; like with Cain and Able from Adam and Eve.

These are the kinds of topics I generally write about, when the foundation has been laid first through much simpler topics like the gospels, churches, baptisms, etc.. Therefore, this thread will likely fall by the wayside and we will try picking these things up later down the road.

GL in the debates and God bless you,

In Christ Jesus,

Terral