Dr Dino & his dinosaurs

Dr Dino's 20th centuary dinosaurs:

(eek - apparently I'm not allowed to post a link which is a pain. On drdino.com, there is a page consisting of several photographs of 'dinosaurs', and a claim that they are evidence of them still existing, it's quite easy to find..)

What really cracks me up about this, is the amount of hard scientific evidence that creationists will reject, while accepting anything that appears to back up their position, no matter how ridiculous. And I challenge anybody to say that using those pictures as evidence is anything but ridiculous.

The claim is that dinosaurs didn't in fact die out millions of years ago, but existed with people, and indeed were on the ark. In fact, there are still some around today(!).

So somebody explain this to me.

If dinosaurs did indeed exist alongside man from the start of creation until a short time(?) after the ark landed, why is there no mention of them in the bible? I know there are a few passages that can be interpreted as being about dinosaurs (Just as they could be about hippos, elephants, whales etc..), but come on. If T Rex and Velociraptors where alive in biblical times, they would be mentioned several times in the Bible I'm sure. Why do camels, horses, birds, bats, asses, cows (etc..) get explicitly named, but stegosaurus doesn't?

I'd expect there to be several stories of people being killed by them for a start. Plus they would be a good source of food - are dinosaurs clean or unclean?

this one:

http://drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=articles&specific=15

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Cheers!

no worries. I am still wondering though how raptors and tyrannosauruses ate grass.

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Hey, it was a different world back then. That grass was wild. Look at it the wrong way, it'd take your legs off.

sorry, no can do, remember there was no death, pain or suffering, and all the venus fly traps, sundews and other potentially dangerous plants were vegitarian too. perhaps they were fed with soya extracts.

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Especially when evidence of grass is never found in dinosaur coprolites or in the same strata as dinosaurs

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just to illustrate hovind's (lack of) knowledge of taxonomy/paeleantology/biology et al....

The ancient horse is a Hyracotherium, which was originally called the hyrax, is still alive today in Turkey and in East Africa.
--Kent Hovind

so basically this is the same animal as this

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Read the end of the book of Job closely and then tell me if you think those animals were anything like an animal observed today . . .

I say closely because ,as I know from personal experience, when reading something that you disagree with at the outset you are bound to miss most of it.

Not at all. I'm very familiar with the descriptions of the Behemoth and the Leviathan.

Time to address this old chestnut I think.

In trying to answer the question "what are the Behemoth and the Leviathan", a sensible approach is to ask what animals the writer of Job would have known about. There would be:

(a) animals that lived in the middle east
(b) animals that lived further afield, but within trading distance, so that reports would come in
(c) mythical animals.

Why do I exclude dinosaurs from the list? Because we know that there were no dinosaurs in historical (or even prehistoric human) times in the middle east (or indeed anywhere else). We can excavate ancient cities - we never find traces of any dinosaur bones - horses, pigs, sheep, goats, dogs etc., but never dinosaurs. We can find ancient flood deposits and tar pits. Some of these are hundreds of thousands of years old. We find sloths and Megalotheria, various extinct elephants. But never dinosaurs.

In fact, we have to dig far below any soil or archaeological deposits to find dinosaurs. We have to dig below the K/T boundary, a thin layer that seperates the Quaternary deposits from the Tertiary. This layer has been independently dated many, many times in many, many places, at around 65 million years old. Below this - dinosaurs. Above this, never a single hint of a dinosaur.

People, by the way, start to appear (rather ape-like at first) around 6-2 million years ago (depending on where you start calling them people).

Between them is some 60 million years of rocks, containing all manner of mammals, most of them now extinct. As one progresses from the K/T boundary to the recent deposits, the fauna becomes more and more like the modern fauna. But I digress. The point is there is no point where the dinosaurs overlap the humans. Therefore dinosaurs are ruled out from the very beginning.

Do we know what Behemoth and Leviathan are? No, not really. Are they dinosaurs? No. There are too many lines of evidence that falsify that hypothesis. The only possible way is if the ancient people had found dinosaur fossils in a reasonably articulated manner, and hazarded a guess as to the animal they came from. From seeing a living dinosaur? No. It could not have occurred.

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