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6th June 2007, 12:20 AM
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Reps: 557,149,751,945,943,296 (power: 557,149,751,945,953) | | Originally Posted by BethelArsonist  I can say I have not made a thorough study of the Apocrypha, but I have read it through and found it rather disappointing. What I have found much more interesting, however, is the Babylonian Talmud. Not the Jerusalem Talmud. But the earlier one.
It is very enlightening in regards to how the ancient Jews thought, by which (by the way), I do not mean the Jews of the captivity, the true heirs. It illustrates quite clearly that there are two completely different divisions of Jewry - that these are very distinctly different in thought from the ancient prophets. (see John 8:37-on) And we only hear about one of them today. This earlier Talmud tells of their history and manners apart from the true Judah. It is that of Edom. This did not used to be such a hidden truth. In fact, the Hebrew Encyclopdedia of 1925 actually contains the quote : Edom is in modern Jewry.
I don't think they are so open about that any more.
One more thing... Have you looked at the Book of Jubilees yet? Its got a lot of interesting information, some of it likely very old. Copies of Jubilees have been verified BCE. It is in the Ethiopian canon of scripture. It purports to be a book contemporary with Moses, though I'm not sure I'm ready to go there. |
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Is it found online? |
6th June 2007, 01:34 AM
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Reps: 557,149,751,945,943,296 (power: 557,149,751,945,953) | | Originally Posted by BethelArsonist I cannot say that I have heard of that.
Is it found online? Here's a fully webified version. All verses and chapters linkable using the following convention:
Linking to chapters: http://www.summascriptura.com/html/Jubilees_RHC.html#5
Linkeing to verses: http://www.summascriptura.com/html/J...s_RHC.html#5:8
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6th June 2007, 01:53 AM
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Reps: 22,068 (power: 34) | | | 2 Timothy 3:15 says that all scripture is God breathed. Do you not have confidence in God's ability to compile a book about Himself? If something as trivial as the lack of the book of Jasher is enough to make you question the validity of scripture then you have a problem. That problem is that you don't know all of the scriptures before you dare venture to criticize part of them.
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6th June 2007, 02:50 AM
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Reps: 2,945 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by -Z- 2 Timothy 3:15 says that all scripture is God breathed. Do you not have confidence in God's ability to compile a book about Himself? If something as trivial as the lack of the book of Jasher is enough to make you question the validity of scripture then you have a problem. That problem is that you don't know all of the scriptures before you dare venture to criticize part of them.
The scripture Paul referred to as God breathed in Timothy was not the entire Bible we have today, as it had not even been completely written, much less compiled. I certainly have confience in God to compile a book about Himself. That is why I presented the witness of Moses against what we have today. And that is not to say I do not have faith in the KJV. It is the difference between what we have today and what God would have not for now, but for the future, seeing the book of Jasher is now available (as it was not in the time of King James) as well as the book of Enoch.
Please do not be offended for my thinking out loud. As you can see from the other responses, it has been a well treated thought with good responses.
Your assessment of me is incorrect. I have a much deeper and sincere faith than what you may be assuming.
(Perhaps I should revise the initial post here after all.) |
20th June 2007, 03:38 PM
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there is a lot of "pseudo-biblical" stuff out there that keeps popping up and confusing people ... |
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23rd June 2007, 02:34 AM
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Reps: 557,149,751,945,943,296 (power: 557,149,751,945,953) | | Originally Posted by AxionEsti It was the Protestants that removed books out of the Bible, after the so-called Reformation. The Orthodox and Catholic Bibles both have more books that have never been removed.
Not quite right.
The Roman Catholic Church dropped 1 and 2 Esdras and the Prayer of Manasseh from their Apocrypha at the Council of Trent. The Anglican Church never dropped those three books, so it is correct to say some Protestants never dropped any books but the Roman Catholic Church certainly did! |
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Reps: 4,184 (power: 14) | | | I think the issue for a lot of the apocrypha is whether or not they are authentic. It's not whether or not they are referred in a part of cannonical scripture.
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