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it's ur choice whether to pray to saint ao Mary.let's take for an instance if you ask something and you don't get it, will u stop believing or will carry on?
Hey OP; are you going to come back, or was this just a shot in the back?
If you want to claim as you do, you need to respond to those here who've you've slighted and posted lies about their beliefs.
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Prayers should be made to God, NOT to angels or spirits of any dead person. Those who judge that certain dead people can petition God for them are not guided by the Holy Spirit.
Why? The ministry of the Holy Spirit is to gift men and women with various annointings to edify the body of Christ. Nothing is said about dead saints in that ministry.
Jesus taught that when we pray, say "Our Father....."
Show bible evidence where men should pray to dead saints?
It's a bogus argument to say...." asking other living being to pray for us is the same as asking dead people to prayer for us."
That's not from God's word.
This is...........
Jam 5:16Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
Prayers should be made to God, NOT to angels or spirits of any dead person.
Prayers don't equate to worship.
The definition of "prayer" is "ask."
Do you ask people to pray for you? If so, then that's hypocracy. If not, then you are still wrong, and I am very sorry that you live such a lonely spiritual life.
Oh, and souls cannot die.
Those who judge that certain dead people can petition God for them are not guided by the Holy Spirit.
The classic rebuttal! "You don't agree with me, so you don't have the Spirit!" An absolute classic retort!
Since you are wrong, what does your retort, if true, say now?
Why? The ministry of the Holy Spirit is to gift men and women with various annointings to edify the body of Christ. Nothing is said about dead saints in that ministry.
Death has no power anymore. Souls are immortal, and the gates of death have been flung wide open. That, or Christ failed.
Jesus taught that when we pray, say "Our Father....."
An example.
Show bible evidence where men should pray to dead saints?
Show Biblical evidence of the orthodox dogma of the Trinity.
It's a bogus argument to say...." asking other living being to pray for us is the same as asking dead people to prayer for us."
That's not from God's word.
it isn't in the Bible, but it is a logical argument which is sound.
[quote]This is...........
Jam 5:16Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.[/quote]
So when was the last time you confessed your sins to a priest or bishop?
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Why should any believer pray to anyone other than God? Why pray to someone that cannot answer prayers?
"Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens," Hebrews 8:1
Nowhere in The Bible does it mention that we should confess our sins to a Bishop or a priest... Jesus is our high priest now!
Read Hebrews...
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Praise The LORD!!!
"Behold, I AM The LORD, The God of all flesh. Is there anything too hard for Me?
Who are we to be offended?
Jesus Christ is The One that payed for our sins, so He is The One that truly has a right to be offended.... but He chooses forgiveness instead...
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Praise The LORD!!!
"Behold, I AM The LORD, The God of all flesh. Is there anything too hard for Me?
When I've asked the Saints to interceed, my requests have been answered before.
Nowhere in The Bible does it mention that we should confess our sins to a Bishop or a priest... Jesus is our high priest now!
Read Hebrews...
How about St. James 5:16? Confess your sins to one another. You've misinterpreted Hebrews.
Who better than with a priest or bishop?!
Try it; its a wonderful, spiritual rite that is humbling, Spirit-filled, loving, compassionate, inspiring, and releasing. I suggest at least once a month.
Originally Posted by iannassah
Who are we to be offended?
Originally Posted by iannassah
Jesus Christ is The One that payed for our sins, so He is The One that truly has a right to be offended.... but He chooses forgiveness instead...
What does this have to do with the topic on hand?
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Originally Posted by aintzaJainkoari Jesus said make no image of Himself.
Originally Posted by IgnatiusOfAntioch
Someone has been lying you son. Jesus never said any such thing. There are many people who hate the Catholic Church and will tell any kind of lie to damage it and pull people away from it. Please, if someone says things against the Catholic Church, check it out for yourself. If it turns out that they aren't telling the Truth, get away from them as fast as you can.
Also, if you want to truely follow Jesus, ask him to help you discern the Truth. Heavenly Father, I believe that you sent your only Son, Jesus Christ to save us and that he founded His Church to hwlp us. Lord, open my eyes and lead me to the pillar and foundation of Truth.
May the peace Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you always.
Your brother in Christ.
Who is lying to whom ?
Exd 20:4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:
Lev 26:1Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up [any] image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I [am] the LORD your God. Deu 4:16Lest ye corrupt [yourselves], and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female, Deu 4:23Take heed unto yourselves, lest ye forget the covenant of the LORD your God, which he made with you, and make you a graven image, [or] the likeness of any [thing], which the LORD thy God hath forbidden thee. Deu 4:25When thou shalt beget children, and children's children, and ye shall have remained long in the land, and shall corrupt [yourselves], and make a graven image, [or] the likeness of any [thing], and shall do evil in the sight of the LORD thy God, to provoke him to anger: Deu 5:8Thou shalt not make thee [any] graven image, [or] any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the waters beneath the earth:
What part of "make no carved statues of anything from heaven" dont you understand?
What part of "dont pray in front of images of stone" dont you understand?
Dont tell me....according to tradition...blah, blah, blah
Is Jesus not the same God that gave the commandments to Moses?
Originally Posted by aintzaJainkoari Jesus said make no image of Himself.
Who is lying to whom ?
Numbers 21:4-9
4 From Mount Hor they set out by the way to the Red Sea, to go around the land of Edom; but the people became impatient on the way. 5 The people spoke against God and against Moses, "Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and we detest this miserable food." 6 Then the Lord sent poisonous serpents among the people, and they bit the people, so that many Israelites died. 7 The people came to Moses and said, "We have sinned by speaking against the Lord and against you; pray to the Lord to take away the serpents from us." So Moses prayed for the people. 8 And the Lord said to Moses, "Make a poisonous serpent, and set it on a pole; and everyone who is bitten shall look at it and live." 9 So Moses made a serpent of bronze, and put it upon a pole; and whenever a serpent bit someone, that person would look at the serpent of bronze and live.
Looks like you have misinterpreted what God is saying in the Bible, Cribstyl, because He tells Moses to make a "graven image" in the likeness of a snake, which qualifies as something "in the earth beneath."
The graven images that are condemned are those that are worshiped. They are those of non-Christian origin that we are told not to worship.
No Apostolic Christian, be they "Roman" Catholic, Anglican, Eastern or Oriental Orthodox, Old Catholic, etc, worships the Saints or Angels. We venerate, not worship. One conotates doulia and the other latria, which are the Greek words used in Scripture. Scripture says give latria only to God. Doulia and even hyperdoulia may be given to the Saints and Angels without violating Christian doctrine and dogma.
Would you like to retract?
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Is that your final answer? It's quite obvious why you define "prayer" with only a 3 letter word.
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source prayer1 /Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[prair]Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation–noun
1.a devout petition to God or an object of worship.
2.a spiritual communion with God or an object of worship, as in supplication, thanksgiving, adoration, or confession.
3.the act or practice of praying to God or an object of worship.
4.a formula or sequence of words used in or appointed for praying: the Lord's Prayer.
5.prayers, a religious observance, either public or private, consisting wholly or mainly of prayer.
6.that which is prayed for.
7.a petition; entreaty.
8.the section of a bill in equity, or of a petition, that sets forth the complaint or the action desired.
9.a negligible hope or chance: Do you think he has a prayer of getting that job?
[Origin: 1250–1300; ME preiere < OF < ML precāria, n. use of fem. of precārius obtained by entreaty, equiv. to prec- (s. of prex) prayer + -ārius-ary; cf. precarious]
Originally Posted by PaladinValer
Do you ask people to pray for you? If so, then that's hypocracy. If not, then you are still wrong, and I am very sorry that you live such a lonely spiritual life.
FALSE, the bible teaches that living people can pray for you, not dead people. That false comparecent is a played-out tune by Catholic apologetics. Sorry Pal, There is no "gone fishing" sign on the throne. It's says come boldly in your time of need. God is Jahovah-Shammah_ "He is there."
Originally Posted by PaladinValer
Oh, and souls cannot die.
Tell that to God, because He said; Eze 18:4Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine:the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Originally Posted by PaladinValer
The classic rebuttal! "You don't agree with me, so you don't have the Spirit!" An absolute classic retort!
Since you are wrong, what does your retort, if true, say now?
Death has no power anymore. Souls are immortal, and the gates of death have been flung wide open. That, or Christ failed.
An example.
Show Biblical evidence of the orthodox dogma of the Trinity.
it isn't in the Bible, but it is a logical argument which is sound.
This is...........
Jam 5:16Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
So when was the last time you confessed your sins to a priest or bishop?
YakityYakityYak, Do you seriously take your own advice?
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