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13th October 2009, 02:00 PM
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I was looking in Revelation today and discovered a a peculiar thing... Antichrist is not used in Revelation anywhere... the term beast is used and false prophet is used... these two end up in the fake-o-fire in the end
THEN we have a first beast a second beast and an image of the beast that is to be worshiped...
What a theological conglomeration to unravel... I started to do so and a question rose up inside of me and this is the question...
As I know that we will not be here during this really tribulational time, why am I looking to see who these people are?
IF one was to not be "harpazoed" in the 6th seal opening and they survive the global tsunami and the survive the nuclear fallout and LIVE in,on or near the European Continent side of the planet, THEN I should be considering looking to investigate who these people might be.
BUT studying Revelation to figure out who the beast, the second beast, the image of the beast and the false prophet are, does not equate to "abiding" in my book...IMO of course.
Abide; meno,men'-o; a primary verb; to stay (in a given place, state, relation or expectancy) :- abide, continue, dwell, endure, be present, remain, stand, tarry (for), × thine own.
Anyhow, y'all have fun chasing down this and hopefully y'all are not neglecting to study, wash in the Word, widows and orphans in order to do this particular study... it's the Oil that will get us through this long night that we are in GOT JESUS? 
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13th October 2009, 05:14 PM
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Reps: 11,346,331 (power: 11,352) | | Quote fom Be1inHim I was looking in Revelation today and discovered a a peculiar thing... Antichrist is not used in Revelation anywhere... the term beast is used and false prophet is used... these two end up in the fake-o-fire in the end THEN we have a first beast a second beast and an image of the beast that is to be worshiped... What a theological conglomeration to unravel... I started to do so and a question rose up inside of me and this is the question... As I know that we will not be here during this really tribulations time, why am I looking to see who these people are?
The thing with Revelation is the confusion ,that was purposely set in Revelation to confuse the reading of Revelations .
Revelation is a seven dimensional look a signal event .It is set in a series of allegory's and symbolic language .Set in a numerical germ atria,an all meaning word of God.
It is a key that was given to mankind at a given time .This key was not meant to be opened untill the time is right.Rev. 22/18 is put there to deter anybody from anybody putting in their private opinion.
The Seven Thunders are tied together with an eighth thunder The Great Thunder ,as a sheath of wheat . Rev.10 is now open The Key "Seven Thunders" Rev.10 has been solved. B1inHim and protected by Rev.22/18. I was looking in Revelation today and discovered a a peculiar thing... Antichrist is not used in Revelation anywhere... the term beast is used and false prophet is used... these two end up in the fake-o-fire in the end THEN we have a first beast a second beast and an image of the beast that is to be worshiped... What a theological conglomeration to unravel... I started to do so and a question rose up inside of me and this is the question... As I know that we will not be here during this really tribulational time, why am I looking to see who these people are?
Look to my chart Horizontally to see who these elements are
Those lines and ovals ,as you call them are similaritys between the thunders.And the area around the Thunders are really self explanatory. GET MY CHART AND LOOK.
7 the top horizontal line is Christ's victory,in yellow.
6 next horizontal line is in Red ,The no. of Man.
5 line next is Christ's protection,souls protected,Come up my people.Word
4 line from the top is the no. of Earth.
3 line is the trinity no.Father(God),Son Of (God),Holy spirit, Word of (God)
2 this line is the union With (God)
1 is the no. of unity,(God)
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7 promises to the church's on the Earth ,things Thu seen,with (God)
The first four 1,2,3,4, are the four spirits that roam the Earth.
7 th.Thunder vertically is mystery Babylon White horse winner on Earth.
6 th. Thunder vertically is man.on Earth
5.th. Thunder vertically is Babylon Fallen Preaching to the Earth.
4.th. Thunder vertically is The word on the Earth.
3 rd. Thunder vertically is witnesses on Earth.
2 nd. Thunder vertically is union with Christ on Earth.
1 st. Thunder vertically is White horse ,winner with Christ on Earth.
5,6,7 is the consequences of the word .The trinity on Earth
even a Fundamentalist Should see that lay ed out.To not see that, is a disservice,two the author.
look how the victory lines up at the top.
look how the winepress's line up ,next down.
look at Earth Quakes and the Great river line up horizontally.
look at the promised White clothed protection line up horizontally.
look how come up my people lines up with come out my people.
look how the seals,1,2,3,4,5,6,7 line up with the trumpets,and vials line up with each other.
look how wormwood on water,blood on water,line up
look how burning mountain in sea ,and blood on sea ,line up.
look how the two Babylons line up with each other.
look how The Thunders start with a White Horse,and end with a White horse .
And that is just ten item's,there are germatria connections yet to them all .. Revelations Of Seven Thunders Explaining Flash Card
I repeat ,Those lines and ovals ,as you call them are similarity's between the thunders.Showing That they are really one repeated ,And the area around the Thunders are really self explanatory.walt2000
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7th November 2009, 07:58 PM
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29th November 2009, 11:45 PM
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Reps: 11,346,331 (power: 11,352) | | | I have a weird start, on this .Let me tell you how I got to study revelations .I was sound asleep, and I awoke with a clutter at the front of my house ,I just built this house ,well, about a month after it's completion .There were two birds,I thought scrambling in the peak of the house ,I thought ,caught and tangled ,trying to sort them self' out .Well,I got out of bed to see what the commotion was all about.When I got closer to them ,I could see they were not fighting ,one bird ,a great big pure white bird was protecting a little gray bird ,from some thing above .So after getting out of bed ,and ran down the stairs in front of the house ,to have a better look.There was a long black cloud over my house ,from horizon to horizon ,and I mean a black cloud ,It was cigar shape. Rumbling and scaring the little gray bird,The big white bird had it's wings opened as to comfort the gray.I yelled at my wife to come down and have a look .Scaring the you know what ,out of her. We were in bed still sleeping. Now a dream is just a dream right ?well About a year latter ,I get this letter in the mail ,from a minister from the south.he was telling me that he had some thing that only I would under stand ,Well I was probably some one trying to get donations ,I told my wife and just about threw if in the trash can ,but I thought I would just open it up and have a look first .Well to my surprise it was a page out of the bible with my dream on it.now ,that is weird don't you think?That is how I had this obsession to start studying Revelations.walt2000 This might turn you off, that is why I am telling you this now, so, I do not have to waste your time, if you think this is nuts.The answer to the dream was, that Christ was going to give me some thing ,in prophesy ,That a lot of people, mostly Christian ,my own Christian brothers and sister's.are going to give me trouble ,and have trouble to except.but Christ was protecting me.walt2000 | 
30th November 2009, 08:54 AM
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Reps: 211,111,524,480,703,456 (power: 211,111,524,480,716) | | Originally Posted by B1inHim LOL you are funny Walt...
I was looking in Revelation today and discovered a a peculiar thing... Antichrist is not used in Revelation anywhere... the term beast is used and false prophet is used... these two end up in the fake-o-fire in the end
THEN we have a first beast a second beast and an image of the beast that is to be worshiped...
What a theological conglomeration to unravel... I started to do so and a question rose up inside of me and this is the question... As I know that we will not be here during this really tribulational time, why am I looking to see who these people are? ok, sorry but... you really see no problem with this line of thought too, don't ya? when the Coming of the Lord is, it will not be pre trib or mid trib, but after...post trib.. since ya think you'll be gone, you won't even see the time of testing coming... or know when you are right in it. and you are not even going to be looking for any deception or deceptor at all, 'cause you think you'll be gone. who is there any easier to deceive, but those not looking for any deception, 'cause they think they will be removd from the planet (no one at all IMO) I think the pre's and mid's will be easy pickings the 6th seal is NOT Christ's Coming Christ's Coming happens during the 7th seal, at the 7th trump. When the 2 witnesses rise, that is Christ's Coming. There is no other "before this" 2nd Coming, no stages, etc... no 1st part of the 2nd Coming, lol. there are similarities in the 6th seal and at the time of Christ Coming, for a reason Satan comes frist to deceive you...to tempt you he is allowed to try...will he sucseed? IF one was to not be "harpazoed" in the 6th seal opening and they survive the global tsunami and the survive the nuclear fallout and LIVE in,on or near the European Continent side of the planet, THEN I should be considering looking to investigate who these people might be. friend, no one is harpazo'd in the 6th seal... the Word does not say that anyone is. u assume it some are, however, going to be beguiled/seduced/deceived then... turned into whores then....for the rest of the hour of temptation. aposate but some others, the elect, are strengthened at that time, as they will know the return of Christ is soon... they will know the season They will stay faithful through this time of deception, and not be seduced by Satan's lies. they will have patience, and be "kept" safe in that time. "kept" strong and virginous for Christ witness for Him against the fasle one they will not worship the false one thinking he is Christ returned, as the rest of the church will...the apostasy and buddy, if your not even looking for the enemy, as you say you are not, it will be easy for him to come into your home (or mind) and there are consequenses for that action. BUT studying Revelation to figure out who the beast, the second beast, the image of the beast and the false prophet are, does not equate to "abiding" in my book...IMO of course.
Abide; meno,men'-o; a primary verb; to stay (in a given place, state, relation or expectancy) :- abide, continue, dwell, endure, be present, remain, stand, tarry (for), × thine own. and leaving would? How is leaving, constituting abiding? Wouldn't staying be the key? Anyhow, y'all have fun chasing down this and hopefully y'all are not neglecting to study, wash in the Word, widows and orphans in order to do this particular study... it's the Oil that will get us through this long night that we are in GOT JESUS?  I agree that we should do ALL that we are commanded to do... not just study eschatology, but we are to be watchman for the enemy, who must come first to deceive you... your line of thought says, "i don't have to even look at all for any deception, 'cause I'll be gone" now, I don't even think the false one will be a man of flesh at all, but instead an angelic man.... so as for pointing fingers at political leaders today, na, not for me... however we are still to watch, for a supernatural being that will deceive the whole planet (save the elect) on the wings of peace what does Ez13 teach u? God is against those teachers that teach His children to "fly" to "save their souls" He's against it. have a WONDERFUL DAY in Christ
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