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Old 2nd September 2003, 06:39 PM
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No, I believe the judgment by fire will encompass all of mankind since that is the only thing that makes theological sense.

This does not mean that the reference to the flood must mean that the flood must have been global as well. The Bible is full of instances where singular or smaller events were used as a symbol or reference to a larger event.

YEC's themselves often point to the reference of the admonition to the farmers to rotate their crops in a seven year plan, just as God created the world in six days and rested one day. I see this reference as God used six time periods then "rested", and we should do the same with our land". Still, it is but one example of the point I am making.

Speaking of which. Since you and others insist on reading the Scriptures in the most literal, plain manner, why did God have to "rest"? Is He not God, with no need of rest? Now, you can't say that this word "rest" means something else than the plain meaning of being tired from His labors and needing a time of recuperation, or you are engaging in interpreting beyond the plain, literal meaning of the text.

We can go through a dozen other such non-literal readings that even you accept without question.

I wonder if your Church ever taught that Song of Solomon was not a love song between a man and a woman, but some type of analogy to Christ and the Church. There is nothing in the text which would support such an idea, but I have seen fundamentalist churches like the one I attend hold that position at the same time they were claiming to be strict literalists.
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Speaking of which. Since you and others insist on reading the Scriptures in the most literal, plain manner, why did God have to "rest"? Is He not God, with no need of rest? Now, you can't say that this word "rest" means something else than the plain meaning of being tired from His labors and needing a time of recuperation, or you are engaging in interpreting beyond the plain, literal meaning of the text.

Why did God rest...I suppose you never read the 10 commandments and figured it out.
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Vance, the Bible is completely incompatible with a local flood.

How could all the mountains in the middle east be covered with water, 20 ft above the summit and not affect the rest of the world?

Why would God require Noah to spend 120 years to build an enormous Ark to hold all the worlds animals, if he could have just had Noah and the Animals move to a safer area in a couple months?

Why did Noah have to stay on the boat for over a year? Surely a local flood would have dried up and showed land in much less time than a year.
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Speaking of which. Since you and others insist on reading the Scriptures in the most literal, plain manner, why did God have to "rest"? Is He not God, with no need of rest? Now, you can't say that this word "rest" means something else than the plain meaning of being tired from His labors and needing a time of recuperation, or you are engaging in interpreting beyond the plain, literal meaning of the text.

Why did God rest...I suppose you never read the 10 commandments and figured it out.
Anyone who takes the Bible totally literally or totally symbolicaly doesn't know how to read a book. There are symbolic and literal texts in the Bible.

Do I believe the flood was worldwide? Yes. I think there's enough evidence world wide to show that. But that's another discussion.
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OK, Arkguy, educate me. I have read the ten commandments section (as well as the rest of the Bible) many times through and I fail to see any explanation of why God would need to recuperate from His labors. I see that he wants us to take one day a week as a holy day, and I believe this does, indeed, refer to the seventh period of time of His creation. There *was* a seventh period of time, and God described this period of time to the writer of Genesis, and one of the reasons was, indeed, for this very purpose of setting aside a holy day once a week.

But, this does not explain why God would need a period of actual rest from labors. He is God, is He not? Is there any amount of labor which would cause God to need a rest? The question is simple. Do you believe that God actually took a day and recouperated from his labors? How do *you* interpret this verse? Was God talking symbolically here?

If it is ANYTHING other than God actually resting to recouperate from His labors, then this means we are reading this verse non-literally. We are NOT just taking the Bible at face value and accepting the plain reading. We are using our interpretative abilities to discern what God is telling us.

There are many, many other such instances where I am sure that you, yourself, read Scriptures in a way other than it's simplest literal meaning.
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EXO 20:9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,

EXO 20:10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates.

EXO 20:11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
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Now, concerning the word rest...does it mean God was tired and had to re-coop..so he wiped the sweat from his brow and sat in the shade of a tree for a day?

Or does it mean he ceased from work. Sort of like a ball that is working when it is rolling them comes to a rest when it stops.

Perhaps God set up a model for oour life...you kknow, one day of "rest" a week?

...to assign a particular meaning to the word rest with out biblical support puts the God was tired sect into an unsupported assignment of the word.
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Question time to tell all

Anyone who takes the Bible totally literally or totally symbolicaly doesn't know how to read a book. There are symbolic and literal texts in the Bible.

Do I believe the flood was worldwide? Yes. I think there's enough evidence world wide to show that. But that's another discussion.

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The dinosaurs died in the flood...well most of them.

For an interesting site, check out these web pages:

http://www.genesispark.org/genpark/history/history.htm

http://www.genesispark.org/genpark/ancient/ancient.htm
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World Wide Flood

Chalk Strata containing marine fossils has been found extending from Northern Ireland, through England, to France, southern Germany, northern India, Malaysia and ending up in Australia. This strata extends around three quarters of the world!
Plus we must not forget “Evidence for a world wide flood can be seen when one looks at the rather large area of the St. Peters Sandstone in the United States and the 750,000 Square mile thousands of feet thick and 3 mile high Tibetan plateau.”
Other evidences pointing to the Flood is the presence of the widespread conglomerates which cover as much as a million square miles with an almost uniformly thick layer of sediment.
It's quite obvious something more than a local flood or old sea deposited these formations.
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