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Old 29th August 2003, 05:46 PM
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@John:
I guess you did not read your own link:
Using DNA evidence, some scientists have argued that Neandertals and early modern humans were different species, and, thus, that modern humans did not descend from Neandertals.
Using DNA evidence, we are not related to them.
Umm... you completely missed its meaning. Congratulations. Neanderthals and homo sapiens share a common ancestor. The h. neanderthaliensis branch died out in competition with h. sapiens and did not interbreed (as this would be reflected in our gene pool).

Adam and Eve were created 6000 years ago, along with the Garden in Eden and the biodiversified animal life that was in Eden. It could be that you will find humanoids older than Adam and Eve, but they were prehistoric, or stone age.
And *wham*, you left scripture as well as this universe again and are safely in faery-tale land. Have fun.

Originally Posted By: Jet Black

how do you account for the fact that Chinese artefacts date back to abut 7000 years, and there are many manmade objects even older than that?


Prehistoic man did have some simple tools. It is called the stone age, because there tools were made out of "stone" rather than to be made out of metal. Actually the stone they used was often vocanic and so they made for pretty good tools. But they were not manufactured like a metal tool. They were made by chipping and grinding.
*WHAM* we're in non-sequitur land again. Your point is? Do you have anything on-topic to say? Because your post is just of the common derailing variety.


@obediah:
The neandertals are fully human they just were several hundred years old. You know the bones in the human head never stop growing.
The bones do. Cartilaginous structures (like our ears) continue to grow, but those aren't easily preserved in fossils. If you could point me to a find of a hominid skeleton with severe osteoporosis and ears to rival an african elephant's ones, be my guest.
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Originally Posted by obediah001
The neandertals are fully human they just were several hundred years old. You know the bones in the human head never stop growing.
You are correct that neandertals are normally classified as being homo sapiens however they are not humans as we know them today. I really don't know where you got the idea that they are several hundred years old. Besides neandertal children have been found and they still have the large brow ridge, lack of a chin, occipital bun, and many other features of neandertals.
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Evidence. Hehe. You would think Hovinds motto is "Evidence? I dont need no stinking evidence, im always right."

(oh, yeah, the world population you see today, is a large illusion, as the new world order killed almost everyone in the year 2000. Hovind said so. )



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Obediah, please provide your evidence that Neandertals were old humans. These Hovind-isms can't just be tossed out without supporting evidence. And, of course, you will need to falsify the DNA evidence showing they were not humans. I would not expect you to have done the studies yourself, of course, but you could at least point to some credible evidence backing up your claims.

Are you saying that our Biblical Patriarchs were Neandertals?
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Originally Posted by Siliconaut
@John:
Umm... you completely missed its meaning. Congratulations. Neanderthals and homo sapiens share a common ancestor. The h. neanderthaliensis branch died out in competition with h. sapiens and did not interbreed (as this would be reflected in our gene pool).


And *wham*, you left scripture as well as this universe again and are safely in faery-tale land. Have fun.



*WHAM* we're in non-sequitur land again. Your point is? Do you have anything on-topic to say? Because your post is just of the common derailing variety.


@obediah:
The bones do. Cartilaginous structures (like our ears) continue to grow, but those aren't easily preserved in fossils. If you could point me to a find of a hominid skeleton with severe osteoporosis and ears to rival an african elephant's ones, be my guest.
Jet Black was responding to another poster who said there was no humans before 6000 years ago.
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@ThePhoenix:
Jet Black was responding to another poster who said there was no humans before 6000 years ago.
Read my quote: It's John I'm replying to. The bloody quote system just messed up the fullquote, so John's text appears right under Jet Black's quote, which I included to show why John's post was a non-sequitur.
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Originally Posted by JohnR7
Prehistoic man did have some simple tools. It is called the stone age, because there tools were made out of "stone" rather than to be made out of metal. Actually the stone they used was often vocanic and so they made for pretty good tools. But they were not manufactured like a metal tool. They were made by chipping and grinding.

no, I am talking about pretty advanced bronze casting techniques.
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On thed Neandertals you need to read the book Buried Alive ,in it he speaks of & shows the absolute deception behing the Evolutionists claims in regard to the Neandertals.
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aah yes, the global scientist conspiriacy rears it's ugly head. Do you believe anything people tell you obediah?
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Yes I believe people; but you know we Christians areto prove all things & not to be taken in by the false knowledge of this lost world you know. Evolution is a false knowledge. If you do not believe there is a conspiracy look at the UN they wantto use the enviroment as a rallying pointto imose World Government on us all.
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