Bill was a man of God. He was the Lamb. When Jesus returns, He will return as Jesus. But don't think He can't manifest Himself as someone else, like he did when he returned after the three days.
Bill was not Jesus. I am going to put this list up one more time:
1. Mary Magdalene is Jesus mother
2. Bill said Jesus saved Satan by dying on the cross. Satan is with God, and evil is mans doing
3. People tend to fear that which they can't explain. Money is not the root of all evil, fear is.
4. Bill says God is good and evil. If you anger God, he puts you on a path of evil.
5. Yes, Bill does look Jewish. I believe he was Jesus
6. Bill had a message. It was that the time for the prophecy in Revelation is passed. It didn't happen,
and we are in new territory
7. Keep in mind, we are writing the next part of the bible right now. We are living it.
8. Bill said the only true sin is suicide, or self-destruction.
9. The more I search, the more I believe in Bill, and God
10. To the next generation. Never, ever give up. It's not over till the fat lady sings. Destiny, is what we make it.
Every single one of these things is a lie. As long as you keep teaching them you are a false teacher and a false prophet. They have all been proven to be false in the course of all these discussions, and you have continued to keep your eyes squeezed closed. You will continue to get your threads closed down (on Christian forums) and unfortunately you will probably continue to think you are being persecuted, but you are not, you are being rebuked. I have done everything I can to show you the truth. My hands are clean.
2Th 2:3-16
(3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
(4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
(5) Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
(6) And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
(7) For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
(8) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
(9) Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
(10) And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
(11) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
(12) That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
(13) But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
(14) Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
(15) Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
(16) Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
livingword, I back my belief system up with testimony. I have been honest about my shortcomings, and have shared my gifts, at the expense of persecution.
I have been looking through your posts for some reference to your testimony. The only thing I can find is that you live in a trailer donated by the church. What was the situation that required this.
Without some form of honest testimony, I'm afraid your posts are, to me, simply rhetoric. I own a bible, and I can read.
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livingword, I back my belief system up with testimony. I have been honest about my shortcomings, and have shared my gifts, at the expense of persecution.
I have been looking through your posts for some reference to your testimony. The only thing I can find is that you live in a trailer donated by the church. What was the situation that required this.
Without some form of honest testimony, I'm afraid your posts are, to me, simply rhetoric. I own a bible, and I can read.
Even this is a misquote. What I said was that a person at the church I attended gave me this trailer.
My real journey as a new ager began one day when I was attending a psychic fair. I met a man named Don. Don was very similar to your Bill. Although he was not homeless, he worked as a cook at a small restaurant and did not make enough money to survive. I'm not going to speak about what he taught, because I don't want to put more falseness out here because people weak in their faith can be easily lead astray. Suffice it to say he was much like Bill.
I ended up sharing an apartment with him and we became very good friends. I had some very real very powerful experiences in those days, which I have come to understand as demonic. Anyway, he got sick one day and over a six week period, died of liver failure. It was the most traumatic time of my life. All of the other groups that I had affiliated myself with had fallen apart or disbanded, and I found myself alone. I ended up loosing everything and living with my father for about six months. I eventually went back to work and rented a room with an old party friend of mine. He was a Buddhist and was married to a witch. I lived with them for about 2 years. Over this time, my health began to decline. I lost my ability to meditate, and my mind began to loose touch with reality. I did some time in a mental hospital for depression, and had 2 suicide attempts. Also I had taken in my gown, pregnant daughter and was trying to help her. (while still living in a small rented room). Then one night, I had a dream, in this dream I met up with an old biker friend of mine. He asked me if I would like to ride with him for a while, so I parked my bike and got in his car. The next day I ran into him. I had not seen him for a long time. He invited me to his church. I had no doubt that this was what the dream was about. So I went. I knew the first time I heard the preacher, that he was speaking the truth, this was a gift from God because I had always thought Christians were shallow and mislead. 2 weeks later I "accepted Christ". 2 weeks after that I was baptized. I had almost a year of reading the bible and listening to my audio bible at work for almost 8 hours a day. Then my real deliverance began. The Word began to cut me and to convict me, and to change me. God spoke to me in such a way that it rattled my bones and made tears squirt out of my eyes on several occasions. This was almost 7 years ago. I have been delivered from much sin, and I have still to be delivered of some. I know the bible. And I know it is true. I also know false doctrines, and new age doctrines because I lived them for years. Now, none of this has anything to do with the truth, or my ability to understand it, because it is the Holy Spirit who reveals truth. Bill is not Jesus, because his teachings do not line up with the bible, so they are false teachings. You own a bible, good read it. Pray to the Lord for understanding and put away the filters you have. A man can make the bible say what ever they want if they do not seek truth.
livingword, thanks for that.
Your correlation with Don and Bill is interesting, and I believe a root of the anger you have expressed towards me.
I must point out that your experience with Don seemed to have left you worse off, alone and wondering. I would be curious to hear Don's teachings.
My life since Bill has only gotten better. My family is strong, my health is good, my business is good, my home is comfortable, and I have purpose. Many good fruits.
I told the church I was going to, about Bill, and they wouldn't even give him the time of day. I tried to get them to at least listen, but they wouldn't. After the experience with the food bank, I quit going to church. This is their fruit.
I had strong faith before Bill showed up, and even stronger after. Bill believed in Jesus, and His sacrifice for us.
I am deeply offended by you insinuation that I am not seeking the truth. I am, if anything, respected in my community for honesty and integrity. I take your referral as an attack on my character, which is unwarrented.
I once found a bank bag full of money laying in the road. It was from a business, and there was about $800 in cash. Now I could've kept the money, and no one would have been the wiser. After some quick soul searching, I returned the money. So please don't infer that I am not seeking the truth, or being dishonest in anyway. If anything, I have lived my life in honesty. Never have I stepped on anyone, to get anything.
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livingword, thanks for that.
Your correlation with Don and Bill is interesting, and I believe a root of the anger you have expressed towards me.
I must point out that your experience with Don seemed to have left you worse off, alone and wondering. I would be curious to hear Don's teachings.
My life since Bill has only gotten better. My family is strong, my health is good, my business is good, my home is comfortable, and I have purpose. Many good fruits.
These are not necessarily fruits:
Psa 73:2-17
(2) But as for me, my feet were almost gone; my steps had well nigh slipped.
(3) For I was envious at the foolish, when I saw the prosperity of the wicked.
(4) For there are no bands in their death: but their strength is firm.
(5) They are not in trouble as other men; neither are they plagued like other men.
(6) Therefore pride compasseth them about as a chain; violence covereth them as a garment.
(7) Their eyes stand out with fatness: they have more than heart could wish.
Fruits of the Spirit are:
Gal 5:22-25
(22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
(23) Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
(24) And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
(25) If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
I told the church I was going to, about Bill, and they wouldn't even give him the time of day. I tried to get them to at least listen, but they wouldn't. After the experience with the food bank, I quit going to church. This is their fruit.
I had strong faith before Bill showed up, and even stronger after. Bill believed in Jesus, and His sacrifice for us.
None the less, Bill taught false doctrine and his teachings should not be allowed in the church. He believes himself to have a special position with God. He is deceived by his own pride.
I am deeply offended by you insinuation that I am not seeking the truth. I am, if anything, respected in my community for honesty and integrity. I take your referral as an attack on my character, which is unwarrented.
I once found a bank bag full of money laying in the road. It was from a business, and there was about $800 in cash. Now I could've kept the money, and no one would have been the wiser. After some quick soul searching, I returned the money. So please don't infer that I am not seeking the truth, or being dishonest in anyway. If anything, I have lived my life in honesty. Never have I stepped on anyone, to get anything.
Just because you have been given morals, does not mean you are seeking truth. This is not an assault on your character, pride can blind anyone. If you were seeking truth, you would easily be able to see that Bill is not Jesus Christ, and that his teachings not biblical. He has not put himself under the submission of God, or the authority of the bible, but supposes himself to be the single authority, as he is closest to God. Your pride is wanting to be looked up to and respected as a prophet. I am able to say that at this time in my life, my pride is to great to hold this office, and yet I am able to see that yours is much greater than mine. You can take this as a personal attack, or you can take it as the warning it is meant to be. Release the lies in your beliefs, turn to one true God and confirm your beliefs in the Bible with prayer.
How can you possibly say these are not good fruits. My daughter will tell you different. Peace ans security for my family is not a good fruit?
You are a man full of contradiction. You say, believe in Jesus, and you will be saved. I tell you that I and Bill believe in Jesus, and you say, don't believe the lies. What is it? Believe in Jesus and be saved, or not. There is no in between. This is according to your belief system.
All I can say is that it was a good thing that that preacher didn't believe as you, or you may have been cast out of the net, never to have been brought closer to God.
If anything, this experience has humbled me. Is it a sin for me to believe what Jesus said when He said, "with faith, anything is possible"? You want to take this away from me. This is my gift. True faith.
I take your warning to heart, and crush it.
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Well, I'm getting shut down all over the place, and it won't be long until they shut me down completely. This will make many happy. I guess that is the only gift I have to give.
Here's the reason for them deleting my posts. http://www.christianforums.com/priva...m&pmid=7263759
If you want to see the whole story about Bill, it's at www.steamboatstuff.com
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How can you possibly say these are not good fruits. My daughter will tell you different. Peace ans security for my family is not a good fruit?
I said that they were not necessarily good fruits. You listed good job, comfortable home, strong family and purpose. Indeed God does want to bless us with these things, but they are not indicators of truth, or blessings from God as the Psalm I listed shows.
You are a man full of contradiction. You say, believe in Jesus, and you will be saved. I tell you that I and Bill believe in Jesus, and you say, don't believe the lies. What is it? Believe in Jesus and be saved, or not. There is no in between. This is according to your belief system.
You have said, quite plainly, on several post and websites, that you believe that Bill is Jesus, yet you continue to act like this is perfectly acceptable and stand in amazement at my judgment. How can you know Jesus if you believe that Bill is Jesus? You cannot.
livingword, you have posted 10 things about Bill that you are certain are against scripture. I will take one at a time, starting with
4. Bill says God is good and evil. If you anger God, he puts you on a path of evil.
Samuel 16
14But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
15And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee.
So you see, God can introduce evil to us, because we have angered Him.
If you are satisfied that I have showed you the truth on this point, I will go to the next point. I will wait for your response.
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