Millerrod,
I understand where you are coming from, I really do. The problem is that first of all he is claiming to be a follower of Christ, and as such we do need to rebuke. Secondly, others are reading these posts. He was posting his antiscriptural beliefs over and over again. If we respond only once, and not to each of his points, then there is a good chance that someone reading will read untruth, and not get the real thing. People don't usually go back and read all of the pages. I am sorry if you feel that we have collectively beaten him to death, but I know that my motive was not to hurt or offend, but to defend the truth. Defending means you keep the waistbelt of truth on. You don't put it on for a minute, then take it off, while lies keep being tossed at you, and everyone else.
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We must rebuke without losing Love and compassion. We must be kind.
We can rebuke with scripture without ganging up on the person or beating them over the head over and over just to prove you are right.
Isnt that what the pharises did to Christ they took scripture and beat him with it and they thought they were right but they were wrong in the sense they used it as a tool to attack not a tool to guide.
i am just saying lets not gang up on anyone nor use scripture to attack with over and over.
lets with Love and kindness use scripture to gently guide others we dont want to run someone off do we ??
Love suffereth long and is Kind.
Although I believe you mean well, you are not rightly discerning the situation and no one was "ganging up" on anyone, and sometimes what a person won't hear from one they may hear from another and to liken it to the pharisees is not even applicable. I think people use that too often in the wrong context.
I don't see where anyone ministered the Word without love, unless I missed something.
It is the Word of God, not our own words that is quick and powerful, living and active and able to divide the soul from the spirit and a right discerner of the thoughts and intents of our hearts. Which is why it is important when correcting anyone to use God's Word.
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Basically, what you are doing, is aiding the person who is pursuing devils and their lies to believe that they might not be in spiritual trouble and encouraging them not to hear the warning from the Word of God.
"But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand."
So, who should we listen to you or God?
God is the judge of the heart. You may not find it loving to reveal the Scripture, to instruct, to correct or to rebuke, to exhort and to edify. But God does. No one was using it to hurt anyone, although occasionally if one doesn't want to hear it they may become offended, but that doesn't make it the fault of the messenger.
I will point you to this Scripture, part of a letter from Paul to the Corinthians who were initially offended at his correction, and although he had sorrow that they were offended, as it was not his intention to hurt them or make them feel offended, he was not sorry for saying what he said because he knew that it is the Truth that makes us free from the lies of the enemy and not necessarily things that always feel good.
For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though it were but for a season. Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.
Wherefore, though I wrote unto you, I did it not for his cause that had done the wrong, nor for his cause that suffered wrong, but that our care for you in the sight of God might appear unto you.
be blessed.
Originally Posted by millerrod
We must rebuke without losing Love and compassion. We must be kind.
We can rebuke with scripture without ganging up on the person or beating them over the head over and over just to prove you are right.
Isnt that what the pharises did to Christ they took scripture and beat him with it and they thought they were right but they were wrong in the sense they used it as a tool to attack not a tool to guide.
i am just saying lets not gang up on anyone nor use scripture to attack with over and over.
lets with Love and kindness use scripture to gently guide others we dont want to run someone off do we ??
Love suffereth long and is Kind.
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Amos 8:11-12 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.
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Millerrod,
I see a danger in telling someone who is teaching things that are in blatant opposition to the bible, to try to fit those beliefs into the scriptures. Those beliefs don't fit, and frankly anyone can make anything fit if they twist the scriptures around enough. That is what taking a lens of something to fit into the scriptures will do, no matter how unwittingly it is done. Furthermore, you have no problem rebuking us. Where is your compassion for us? Why? Because you are convinced that we are in the wrong, so you are willing to stand up for your convictions. That my friend, is exactly what we are doing. The pharisees were not standing up for truth, they were trying to assert power over Christ, and presume that God did not love sinners. That is actually the opposite of what we are doing.
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Something was done wrong or he would have not left. i clearly told you that i have done many times exactly what you all were doing to him. i have beat them over and over with scripture when i could have just said it once and let scripture speak. i didnt think i was rebuking you i thought i was warning you that from my experience what do we win if we run the person off.
If this man is in error and if he has the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit will convict him not me and not you. we can present scripture once and that is enough. Its like putting a dog in the corner for pooping on the floor and then once you have corrected him you and everyone else in the house just keep on smacking him all day long then you wonder why the dog runs off.
At least Fender was mature enough to admit the man was being attacked and because of this and the fact he was pm to by some of us he is staying.
I guess i have alot of faith in scripture i do not believe it can be twisted to fit anyway we want it. scripture is rock solid and if someone does try to twist it that twist can easily be revealed.
Maybe just maybe we all need a little more faith in scripture and a little more faith in the Holy Spirit. But thats just my opinion and thats not worth much.
I will leave you to your whipping fields i have stood there myself one to many times.
If he is in error? Satan in heaven, Mary Magdalen is Jesus Mother. Bill is Jesus Christ. And he compared himself to Jesus at the temple for his outburst. (puke)Have you read this thread at all?
and if he has the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit will convict him not me and not you. we can present scripture once and that is enough.
And if he does not have the Holy Spirit and is allowed to keep teaching this stuff, he is not only in danger himself, but is endangering others with these false teachings.
Its like putting a dog in the corner for pooping on the floor and then once you have corrected him you and everyone else in the house just keep on smacking him all day long then you wonder why the dog runs off.
Interesting analogy. You correct your dog on the first day, but the next day you just let him do it because you have already instructed him? And the next. And the next.
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He is a deciple the same as you and i not a dog who needs daily correction you clearly pointed out his error with scripture was that not enough. no by george we are going to whip him into shape we are going to jump on him every day he opens his mouth because he is wrong and we are going to prove it if we have to prove it 20 times a day.
There was a man on this forum that went by flywade he had some very confused thinking and i took the same scripture and i beat him with it every time he opened his mouth because i knew he was in error. he would leave for a while and come back and again i beat him with scripture over and over for 6 months this happened. intill one day he just didnt come back here any more. OOO i won the battle i rebuted his wrong way of thinking thats for sure but i left him in a heap of a pile discouraged full of doubt and anger towards everyone. to prove him wrong i was willing and responsible of driving him into the enemys arms. i did not win anything i caused a human soul to endup in hell thats what i did and i wont do it again. i will stand in truth and i do it every day but i hope and pray i dont beat and whipe the truth upon someone i hope and i will try to Love them and gently guide them . one lost sheep because of me is one to many for me to bear.
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livingword have you ever had a vision or has God ever spoke to you ?? If you have didnt it at first confuse you. and then you study scripture and you see wow that vision was really from God and then you get over being confused and then you think you have a special calling because you dont understand God speaks to and gives visions to thousands of other people. i have seen this pattern on this forum over and over they are confused then they think they have a special calling maybe they are one of the two witnesses maybe they are an angel maybe a prophet you name it at this point of their growth they are thinking all kinds of things. Why ?? because its so hard to wrap yourself around the fact that God speaks to us and shows us things. it is more than some can bear they have to grow into understanding that its happening to thousands not just yourself. We just have to allow them time to grow , to study and yes when we need to gently rebuke any false teachings to protect others growing.
I know you mean well all i ask is lets be Loving and kind i dont want you to carry the burden i feel i really dont wish that on anyone. We have to draw the lost or confused sheep in not run them off.
He is a deciple the same as you and i not a dog who needs daily correction you clearly pointed out his error with scripture was that not enough. no by george we are going to whip him into shape we are going to jump on him every day he opens his mouth because he is wrong and we are going to prove it if we have to prove it 20 times a day.
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If i am, i am sorry, really i am, i just dont want you to make the same mistake i did. It scared me a bit wheni thought we had run him off. I will step away and i am sorry if you or anyone else think i was attacking you.
Please forgive me !! Peace and Love !! Rod
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