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Anathema to Sabbath-keepers - Council of Laodicea

Canon 29 of the Council of Laodicea (ca. A.D. 360) explicitly condemns the veneration of the Sabbath and enjoins working on such a day in order to show a special respect for Sunday:
Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.
Source: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3806.htm

Which churches believe this today?
Roman Catholic?
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Any others?

What does anathema mean in this canon?
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But the same council has other canons that mention sabbath:
Canon 16

The Gospels are to be read on the Sabbath [i.e. Saturday], with the other Scriptures.
Canon 51

The nativities of Martyrs are not to be celebrated in Lent, but commemorations of the holy Martyrs are to be made on the Sabbaths and Lord's days.
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The Catholic Church consider that the honour that the Jews gave to the Saturday, shall be given to the Sunday, because Sunday is the day of the risen and the day of the apparitions of Christ to the apostoles.

So on Sunday we have to go to Church to Mass, and we should not do servile works

About anathema, you can remind the use made by St Paul: (Gal 1:9): "If any one preach to you a gospel besides that which you have received, let him be anathema." (so it means accursed, overwhelmed with maledictions)

PS the council of Laodicea was not an Ecumenic Council, but simply a local Council, and so its canons are not strictly mandatory or infallible for us
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... PS the council of Laodicea was not an Ecumenic Council, but simply a local Council, and so its canons are not strictly mandatory or infallible for us
That's nice because these don't fit in too well today:
Canon 15
No others shall sing in the Church, save only the canonical singers, who go up into the ambo and sing from a book.

Canon 20
It is not right for a deacon to sit in the presence of a presbyter, unless he be bidden by the presbyter to sit down. Likewise the deacons shall have worship of the subdeacons and all the [inferior] clergy.

Canon 39
It is not lawful to feast together with the heathen, and to be partakers of their godlessness.

Canon 52
Marriages and birthday feasts are not to be celebrated in Lent.

Canon 53
Christians, when they attend weddings, must not join in wanton dances, but modestly dine or breakfast, as is becoming to Christians.
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quote: "The Catholic Church consider that the honour that the Jews gave to the Saturday, shall be given to the Sunday, because Sunday is the day of the risen and the day of the apparitions of Christ to the apostoles" unquote.

How did they determing days back then? I didn't think they had names of days like Saturday and Sunday. The judeans or judaizers even anathemiatize themselves at one point. I still don't understand the use of that word in the Bible.

Galatians 1:9 as we have said before, and now say again, If any one to you may proclaim good news different from what ye did receive--anathema/anaqema <331> let him be!

Acts 23:14 those judeans having come near to the chief Priests and to the elders said, `With an anathema/anaqemati <331> we did anathematize/aneqematisamen <332> ourselves--to taste nothing till We have killed Paul;
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a_mtv beat me to it!

Oh, and OP, add Anglicans to your list
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I just watched a program I had DVR'd about the Journals of the Inquisition. It was about the Spanish Inquisition which was against only the Conversos - or those Jews who were forced by economics or relationship to "convert" to Catholicism. During the inquisition they were often "outted" as still holding to Judaic ways and tortured and murdered. Interesting - not a far cry from the cries of "judaizer" in the 4th century or indeed today.

Does it not bother anybody that the Council of Laodicea might be what the Messiah referred to in Revelation? In the meantime, many celebrate the Sabbath on the Sabbath - at least until it's understood that God changed the day!
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That's nice because these don't fit in too well today:
Canon 15
No others shall sing in the Church, save only the canonical singers, who go up into the ambo and sing from a book.

Canon 20
It is not right for a deacon to sit in the presence of a presbyter, unless he be bidden by the presbyter to sit down. Likewise the deacons shall have worship of the subdeacons and all the [inferior] clergy.

Canon 39
It is not lawful to feast together with the heathen, and to be partakers of their godlessness.

Canon 52
Marriages and birthday feasts are not to be celebrated in Lent.

Canon 53
Christians, when they attend weddings, must not join in wanton dances, but modestly dine or breakfast, as is becoming to Christians.
These are pastoral canons, they are not about dogma or moral. The pastoral canons, issued by both an ecumenical or local council, are never infallible, and had to be followed till the Church change them.

The only part that is important is the base doctrine: ad instance it is clear that a deacon or a subdeacons is NOT a presbiter (priest), and he is a step down the priest (notwithstanding the Mr Luther wrong doctrine of the priesthood of all the believers).

Anyway still in the Catholic Church:
- a deacon can sit during the Mass only after the main minister (priest or bishop) is sat
- marriage cannot be celebrate during Lent, or other penitantial periods (but a few exceptions, and however without solemnity).
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Canon 29 of the Council of Laodicea (ca. A.D. 360) explicitly condemns the veneration of the Sabbath and enjoins working on such a day in order to show a special respect for Sunday:
Source: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3806.htm

Which churches believe this today?
Roman Catholic?
Eastern Orthodox?
Any others?

What does anathema mean in this canon?
The Sabbath is no longer a day of the week but is now, Jesus Christ our Lord as Hebrews 4:1-9 says. The OT is a shadow of the new convenant, not the reality itself.

So that phrase is telling Christians that we are no longer under the law but under Grace. Therefore, we honor Christ everyday of the week instead of just one day.
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