God Wants Us to Prosper

James 5:1-2-3

Go to now you rich men, weep and howl
for your miseries that shall come upon you.
Your riches are corrupted and your garments
are motheaten.
Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust
of them shall be a witness against you and shall
eat your flesh as it were fire.
You have heaped treasure together for the
last days.

1Tim.6:117-18-19
Charge them that are rich in the world that they
be not highminded nor trust in uncertain riches,

but in the (living God, who giveth us richly ALL
things to enjoy
That they do good, that they be (RICH in
good works) ready to distribute, willing to
communicate;
Laying up in store for themselves a (good
foundation) against the (time to come, that they
may lay hold on Eternal Life.)

1Cor.10:24
Let no man (seek) his own,
but every man another's wealth.

Thank you ten-k for further backing me up. ApplesofGold, I hope you are seeing that the focus should not be on riches, but on Christ. The doctrine you preach counters many other verses in the Bible along with the teachings of Jesus; therefore, your natural view of those riches in scirpture is unbibilical and dangerous and you need to cease in preaching it.

I believe that God wants us to prosper. And to prosper abundantly, not only in the things of the spirit, but in the financial realm, and in the realm of the soul.

But read the following carefully, He wants to Bless us for His purposes, and plans. He will not bless us so that we may waste it all upon our selfish desires.



A lot of the prosperity message falls on greedy ears of men and women that once they get wealth forget God. If we put God's will and purposes first there is no limit to the wealth that may pass thru our hands for His Glory. Look at how rich men like Abraham and David were when they sought to do God's will first; Also Not to forget Joseph, and Solomon.



Grace and Peace Patrick

I agree exactly with that, and that is why I see preaching on it is unprofitable and dangerous. If God makse you rich, He makes you rich. Poor, poor. The main view should be Jesus Christ, Lord and Savior and that's my basic problem with such doctrine. I also believe it counters much scripture.

However, I cannot accept that God want's us rich financially on earth. But thanks for giving me your view in a resonable, civilized manner. (I have had some... ungodly experiences on some other threads.)

ApplesofGold, all I ask is that you consider my words. Confirm to me that you have considered it at heart rather than ignored and I will be satisfied. I truly believe it is not the will of God to preach on such earthly things, and that it is damaging/hindering to man's view on God.

Hi Mounts:

I do understand where you are coming from. There is a deceitfulness in the very midst of the riches message. But if we taught the proper attitude for the people to understand then any deceitfulness of attitudes of the heart would be overcome.

If we want riches so that we may receive praise and admiration solely from others, than our attitude is selfish and wrong. And your concern is well founded.

But if we teach that the only reason to become prosperous is so that we can do something for the advancement of the Kingdom of God than there is nothing wrong with whatever the Lord blesses us with. As in anything that is done for the Lord our attitude is the critical factor toward receiving a blessing or not.

For instance many will not be delivered simplly because they want deliverance from whatever is oppressing them, so that they can continue to live however they want to live. The only reason that we can get someone delivered permentaly is to make sure that their attitude is deliver me so that I may serve you, no matter where you lead.

God wants us to receive His glory (John 17:5,20-22) and to shine it forth for the world to see the Father's very own presence in us. And when they see this light of His glory upon us then they will begin to bring great wealth to the church, who manifests that glory of His presence.


Isa 60:1-7 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee. (2) For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. (3) And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. (4) Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side. (5) Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee. (6) The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall show forth the praises of the LORD. (7) All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory.

Psa 1:1-3Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. (2) But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. (3) And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

In the scripture is says that we are new creatures in Christ.

2Co 5:17-19 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. (18) And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; (19) To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

In the old testament there is a story where Elisha just received a double portion annointing and was waiting at Jericho. The people of Jericho showed Him how blesent the place was to dwell, and how bad the waters were. The fountain only produced death and barren lands. Elijah told them to bring Him a new cruse and put salt within it. The new cruse is a man or woman who is in Christ, and therefore is a new creature. Salt is His presence that brings His savour into us.

Mat 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have losthis savor, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

The salt was then poured out at the spring, Elisha then prophesied that there would be no more death or barren land and there was no more death or barren land.

I said all of this to point out something about the cruse.

In the Strong's concordance the word cruse means:

H6746
tselôchîyth tsel-o-kheeth'
From H6743; something prolonged or tall, that is, a vial or salt cellar: - cruse.


And comes from:

H6743

צלח צלח

tsâlach tsâlêach

tsaw-lakh', tsaw-lay'-akh

A primitive root; to push forward, in various senses (literally or figuratively, transitively or intransitively): - break out, come (mightily), go over, be good, be meet, be profitable, (cause to, effect, make to, send) prosper (-ity, -ous, -ously).

Now the Brown Diver Briggs says this for tsalach:

H6743

צלח / צלח

tsâlach / tsâlêach

BDB Definition:

1) (Qal) to rush

2) to advance, prosper, make progress, succeed, be profitable

2a) (Qal) to prosper

2b) (Hiphil)

2b1) to make prosperous, bring to successful issue, cause to prosper

2b2) to show or experience prosperity, prosper




Being a new creature, cruse in Christ will bring you into experiencing prosperity, it will make you prosperous, it will bring to a successful issue whatever the Lord is desiring to bring to pass. It will cause you to succeed.
And it is not just limited to the spiritual success, but it involves the whole man prospering in the spirit, soul and in the physical realms of life. This is not the selfish prosperity of lifting up self. No this prosperity is so that the Kingdom may be advanced in the earth as He wills.

Grace and Peace Patrick

Here is a list from Willmingtons Book of Bible lists in regards to why we as Christians suffer:


Willmington, H. L. (1987). Willmington's book of Bible lists. Wheaton, Ill.: Tyndale House.

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The potter has authority over the clay from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and nother for contempt. But, you say, why has He made me to honor and another to contempt? What shall I answer? Will you listen to Augustine if you will not listen to the Apostle when he says 'O man, who art you who argues with God?' " -Augustine, Sermo 26, xii, 13

It is probably so emphasized now, since it has been gone from the body for such along time. Yes, God wants us to prosper: physically, spiritually, emotionally, and financially.

Now about test and trials,

Yes, we do have tests and trials in our life, they can be: self inflicted, sin inflicted, or life inflicted. Some people can bring tribulation on themselves. (i.e. Job) People can step into sin and bring troubles on their life. Then life can throw troubles at you. Life is full of tests. But that doesn't mean you have to fail them, you can pass them with flying colors and come out more prosperous than before and stronger and prospering in all areas of your life. I know alot of the top "Charismatic" and "Prosperity" teachers of today. I do know they have gone through challenges, but they come out victoriously.

ECC

Hi AppleofGold,

THanks for your sharing

May I ask that if that is the case, then those poor people like me does that means that there is something wrong with us? Are we out of GOd's will?

Should I pray for riches then?

There are many heros of the faith who truely had no riches in this world but a true heart aching for the Lost. "Jim Elliot, Amy Carmichael, Hudson Taylor +++" and Apostle Paul who had to tent make to support His ministry to our Lord.

Even when I go to Heaven, with the streets of Gold. I rather be dazzled by my Lord Jesus and the wounds on his hands, feet, side, an expression of His love for me...even me.

Thanks for your sharing.
(God wants to prosper us, in His way, in Due Time.)

Your brother in Christ
ian

(I am a young CHristian so pls correct me if I am wrong and pls dun anyone be offended in anyway)
Thanks

Hey Ian,

The prosperity message isn't all about money. (some people upon hearing this will bug out their eyes.)

But the prosperity message is basically about obediance. And it is not just prospering in the financial arena, but in every area: spiritual, emotional, relationships, and physical. There is a reason why God gives His children money. Yes, He wants His kids to have the best! Yes, He wants us to be blessed!

But apart from the blessings, he also gives us money to fund His gospel across the earth. With money we are able to send missionaries and evangelists across the globe and fund believer's meeting and evangelistic outreaches.

In the case of Paul, yes Paul worked in the three years while God was training him in Arabia and probably a little bit afterwards. but soon, the people who he ministered to, began to fund him.

Phillipians 4:15 You yourselves also know, Philippians, that at the first preaching of the gospel, after I left Macedonia, no church shared with me in the matter of giving and receiving but you alone; 16 for even in Thessalonica you sent a gift more than once for my needs. 17 Not that I seek the gift itself, but I seek for the profit which increases to your account. 18 But I have received everything in full and have an abundance; I am amply supplied, having received from Epaphroditus what you have sent, a fragrant aroma, an acceptable sacrifice, well-pleasing to God. 19 And my God will supply all your needs according to His riches in glory in Christ Jesus.

See, the Phillipians obeyed God and gave to Paul. And Paul through the Phillipians and other givers Paul had more than enough and was "in abundance." And after that, he said God would supply all their needs. What's left after all? Nothing. So that includes every need in every area. It is a Seed-Time-Harvest Principle.

I'll post more if you need me to. Feel free to ask questions.

Wrapped In His Glory,
ECC

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Hi thanks for all the explanation for me...a very young Christian...

So meaning not everybody should be rich financially, right?

So it is in the will of God that some are financial not in abundance on this earth, right?

Because if it is in the will of God that every body should be financially well to do, then those who are not rich (poor) financially probably have done something that remove them from the will of God, true?

What about the poor woman who gave the two mites which is all she got as written in the bible, and Jesus said that she gave more than the rich man?

Pls advise
ian