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Yes
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No
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Yes, but...
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No, but...
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6th May 2007, 01:01 PM
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If it is, what are the implications? | 
6th May 2007, 02:20 PM
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I voted "No, but..."
Christianity does not require gentiles to become Jews-that part can be entirely bypassed-the Old Covenant is just that, old, and has been fulfilled with the coming of Christ and the creation of the New Covenant.
BUT there is a heritage, a history there for the rest of us to learn from. | 
6th May 2007, 07:12 PM
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Christianity to Judaism is like Buddhism to Hinduism.
Christians by definition are gentiles. Although Christianity is a completely different religion when compared to Judaism, there are many Jewish roots in Christianity.
One such thing is the iconostasis of an Orthodox church. Another item from the Jews is what we call the Old Testament.
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6th May 2007, 08:11 PM
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I think I voted "no, but" which should offset my other vote in the other forum which was "yes, but". More later to explain (if I don't forget) | 
6th May 2007, 11:35 PM
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Looks like so:
At some parts of the Liturgy, there will be a curtain drawn behind the middle doors there; also called the Royal Doors.
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7th May 2007, 02:13 AM
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I would, "Yes!" at its Jewish roots, but not after the 1st Ct when leadership of the churches were mainly gentile believers. Today, absolutely not! It is interesting to me because presently I been studying Orthodoxy and perhaps, in one way, they may come closest to 1st Century things, but their slant is still Hellenistic or Grecian interpretation(s)...which may be okay for gentile believers, but not for Jewish believers. So it has to come down to what Paul means in Ephesians 2 when he said, "...who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility."
Looking at it this way, we(Jew and Gentile) are one in Christ, that is, the new man we are in Christ; but it is the cultural and traditional trends the separate us.
In Him, david. | 
7th May 2007, 08:02 AM
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15th May 2007, 04:57 PM
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15th May 2007, 05:02 PM
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22nd May 2007, 12:27 AM
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Reps: 20,228 (power: 28) | | | "Yes" biblically. The faith of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob was towards the God of Israel. The King of the Jews is the ONLY title Yeshua (Jesus) ever accepted. At birth, at His trial, and at the Cross
"No" culturally...gentiles rejected the jews early based not on the scriptures but their bias, prejudice, and bigotry. Once they outnumbered jews, they simply changed definitions so they could re-write the rules to suit themselves. Jesus didn't come to start a new religion...but that is what we got.
The greek spirit has had control of the western christian church since the 2nd century.
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