Origins TheologyForum for the discussion of Creation Science (Young/Old) vs Theistic Evolution. Discussion of Atheistic Evolution should be taken to the Discussion and Debate forums.
...So as you see, science clearly says both are scientifically impossible.
Both according to the Theo-Evos using scientific methods have been shown to be so.
Science says that both are impossible without a miracle. However, in the case of Creationism, the miracle would need to be inherently deceptive, which would contradict God's nature.
Are we to assume you have seen creation first hand? If not, you are depending on the word of a multitude of men who claim to speak for God.
If not, sounds like blind faith to me.
I have seen the evidence people have presented here on the forums and other websites, but I haven't seen fossils in real life or anything like that.
Anyway, creationism makes statements that can be tested scientifically and it has been falsified. The resurrection doesn't leave anything to test, unless we found Jesus' body but how would you know that it was His.
Of course, I believe in faith. The difference is, I believe the Word of God in faith, instead of men. Do you believe the Bible is truth or not?
Evidence? Do you believe everything you read on the internet? What do you think the agenda of the people who present this evidence is?
So, if they said they had found the body of Jesus-would you believe them or your Bible?
I kind of like the old saying to believe nothing you hear and only half of what you read...
the ressurection by definition is a supernatural event, so it is pointless looking at other corpses to see if they can come back, because then you are just looking for a natural explanation.
What I'm saying is that science pretty much has already tested the possibility. What tells you that it has to be a supernatural event? If science hasn't already tested the theory why are you so adamant that it was a miracle? And no the definition of resurrection isn't of a supernatural event in fact all it means is the rising of the dead, or comeing back to life. The reason why we think of it as a miracle or supernatural event is because we know it is proven that that is an impossiblity.
__________________ God didn't send His Son to pay for the forgiveness of your sin, and then decide He is going to require you to make installment payments. He only requires you to believe that the FULL PAYMENT was done, over 2000 yr. ago..........then you'll stop trying to make the installments on something you could never pay for anyway. The Good News is that you are debt free!
I believe there is a hell and you won’t go there for what you do, but for what you BELIEVE. (answer: Believe on the Lord Jesus!)
God loves you, and there is nothing you can do or say about it!
Actually, I'd have to say Jet Black kind is right, in that a resurrection is a supernatural event.
It's the 'rising of the dead' part that is 'above nature.' Calling a human rising from the dead a natural event isn't exactly the most accurate claim.
The Old Earth model cannot be reconciled with the Scriptures. Why? It is said that dinosaurs died out 65 million years before man. BUT, according to Genesis 3, death was a result of the Fall of man. So man had to exist before the very first thing died. TTYL Jesus loves you!
The resurrection would also have been deceptive..that is considering that it is scientifically impossible, just as your claims with the creation.
Then again, you seem to forget that God said he formed Adam from the dust then Eve from his side...now if evolution is true, then, God deceived us.
Science can only say that using the observed processes of nature, the dead do not rise. It cannot say anything about processes which it has not observed (such as divine intervention).
However, multiple lines of evidence point to Creation being old. We are not talking about a just a miracle but a miracle constructed in a way that intentionally hides it from later observers. Why would God create geological layers with fossils arranged like they are? Why would He create photons in a pattern that showed galaxies that billions of lightyears away?
Of course, I believe in faith. The difference is, I believe the Word of God in faith, instead of men. Do you believe the Bible is truth or not?
Evidence? Do you believe everything you read on the internet? What do you think the agenda of the people who present this evidence is?
So, if they said they had found the body of Jesus-would you believe them or your Bible?
I kind of like the old saying to believe nothing you hear and only half of what you read...
They would need to find a body and prove it was Jesus'. They can't, both because there is no body to be found and because we have no way of differentiating Jesus' body from another person living in first century Palestine.
Actually, I'd have to say Jet Black kind is right, in that a resurrection is a supernatural event.
It's the 'rising of the dead' part that is 'above nature.' Calling a human rising from the dead a natural event isn't exactly the most accurate claim.
Nobody here has said that it's a natural event. My question is, who or what says that a resurrection is impossible. Someone or something has to tell us that first before we can believe that it's an impossibilty or if that it does occure that it's a miracle. Now if science hasn't said it who does? If nature says that it's an impossibilty why can't that be tested?
Isn't our own observance of things dieing and never comeing back to life useing a scientific method? And if this method shows that a resurrection does not happen isn't it than science that tells us that a resurrection is impossible? I mean sure science can't prove whether Jesus resurrected from the dead but it can make a hypothesis that it could never happen. So in a indirect way science does say that Jesus couldn't have been resurrected.
In fact I say that if there isn't anything out there to tell us that a resurrection can't happen why should any of us believe that Jesus's resurrection was a miracle.
The Old Earth model cannot be reconciled with the Scriptures. Why? It is said that dinosaurs died out 65 million years before man. BUT, according to Genesis 3, death was a result of the Fall of man. So man had to exist before the very first thing died. TTYL Jesus loves you!
But the first verse in Genesis shouldn't be looked at as haveing anything to do with the 6 days of creation. The original Hebrew conveys that they are separate. And that's useing a literal interpretation of what the original Hebrew says.
__________________ God didn't send His Son to pay for the forgiveness of your sin, and then decide He is going to require you to make installment payments. He only requires you to believe that the FULL PAYMENT was done, over 2000 yr. ago..........then you'll stop trying to make the installments on something you could never pay for anyway. The Good News is that you are debt free!
I believe there is a hell and you won’t go there for what you do, but for what you BELIEVE. (answer: Believe on the Lord Jesus!)
God loves you, and there is nothing you can do or say about it!
Last edited by nephilimiyr; 24th August 2003 at 05:58 PM.
They would need to find a body and prove it was Jesus'. They can't, both because there is no body to be found and because we have no way of differentiating Jesus' body from another person living in first century Palestine.
and people call me a literalist...of course they won't find it, it is a hypothetical question. Any believing Christian should be shouting "No, I would not believe it." Sadly, some put more faith in the accuracy of science than the accurancy of the Bible.
However, multiple lines of evidence point to Creation being old. We are not talking about a just a miracle but a miracle constructed in a way that intentionally hides it from later observers. Why would God create geological layers with fossils arranged like they are? Why would He create photons in a pattern that showed galaxies that billions of lightyears away?
Everyone knows that the layers were deposited during the flood....God hid nothing from us.
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