Origins TheologyForum for the discussion of Creation Science (Young/Old) vs Theistic Evolution. Discussion of Atheistic Evolution should be taken to the Discussion and Debate forums.
Once again, whether or not you have the body of Jesus Christ means nothing when it comes to scientifically testing the resurrection.
Why? Because science says it's impossible. Other bodies can be tested....and this is exactly what has been done...and so far no resurrection.
So if the resurrection is belieavable, then why not the creation?
A 6,000 year old Earth is not believeable because it cannot be supported without ending up in heresy. The evidence in Creation indicates that the Earth is far older than this, so a young Earth requires a deception to be inserted into Creation. This would have been done by either God or Satan. If one says God, one is claiming that God intentionally deceives us, which is heretical. If we choose Satan, we are elevating him to an almost dualistic heights and denying that all of Creation is good, both of which are heresies.
For the Ressurection, there is no physical evidence. We have the Earth and the rest of Creation to study. There is no body of Jesus to study.
For the Ressurection, there is no physical evidence. We have the Earth and the rest of Creation to study. There is no body of Jesus to study.
True there is no physical evidence of Jesus Christ's resurrection but does that mean science can't test whether a resurrection could ever happen? If we had Jesus's living body to test, science wouldn't be testing it to tell us whether it happend but rather how it happend. Right?
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Last edited by nephilimiyr; 24th August 2003 at 03:10 AM.
True there is no physical evidence of Jesus Christ's resurrection but does that mean science can't test whether a resurrection could ever happen? If we had Jesus's living body to test, science wouldn't be testing it to tell us whether it happend but rather how it happend. Right?
How could they?
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What Wblastyn has forgotten is that the creation...also...was a supernatural event. Or in other words...a miracle. Which means the impossible happened.
The problem is...how do these christians believe in one miracle then dismiss the other. That is considering the claim that both events are/were scientifically impossible.
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As Troodon already pointed out, if creationism is true we should see the effects (young earth, global flood, etc), instead we see the exact opposite (ancient earth, no global flood, etc).
Jesus' resurrection had effects too - Jesus is alive after being dead, so if we found Jesus' dead body (assuming you could tell it was his) then we would know the resurrection could not havw taken place, since no body has been found we can assume Jesus was resurrected based on faith (that the Gospel writer were telling the truth).
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Last edited by wblastyn; 24th August 2003 at 04:50 AM.
True there is no physical evidence of Jesus Christ's resurrection but does that mean science can't test whether a resurrection could ever happen? If we had Jesus's living body to test, science wouldn't be testing it to tell us whether it happend but rather how it happend. Right?
the ressurection by definition is a supernatural event, so it is pointless looking at other corpses to see if they can come back, because then you are just looking for a natural explanation.
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Troodon:
You are not understanding the point. If the earth was created 6,000 years ago then we should expect all properly used radiometric dating to provide a date <6,000 years,
There is plenty of evidence that suggest radiometic dating is flawed....once again, that's another topic
we should expect the fossil record to be very jumbled up with very few clear distinctions,
No, we would expect to see the fossil record just as it is. Tha is with the marine creatures first followed by the amphibian then land creatures. Why? That's the way the flood covered the earth.
we should expect there to be no pseudogenes and hidden genes in the genomes of living creatures,
...you seemed to have forgotten the common creator argument.
we should expect the world's geology to actually look like a flood took place.
This is EXACTLY what we see.
Because none of these are (in our opinions) the case, the idea of YEC is falsified. Not because it was supposed to have been of supernatural origin, but because its required effects are not seen in creation.
...by the same token, if the resurrection was possible we would/should see evidence of resurrection from different people all over the world...but we don't.
The resurrection cannot be delt with in the same manner because it has no testable repercussions. There are visible consequences if the earth is 6,000 years old; there are none (to my knowledge) if Christ was resurrected 2,000 years ago
Once again here is where you are wrong. My last paragraph above addressed some of the reasons as to why it is teatable.
My other paragraphs show that your old earth thinking has problems and Young Earth Creation Science has provided answers to the features we see on and in the earth
...So as you see, science clearly says both are scientifically impossible.
Both according to the Theo-Evos using scientific methods have been shown to be so.
Ark Guy, I suggest that you go over to the Science forum, there are a number of threads there that demonstrate several features that are impossible to describe using the flood theory.
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There are no features that are imposible to describe by flood models. Sorry Jet Black but you have been mislead....You trust your bible for salvation, but not for the creation.
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